flickoflash
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
theboatcandream said:
epiphone les pauls?
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Ironjose
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
well i´m the same situation... i like epi´s Lp´s standard, i have played two of them on the music store, i guess they are the last ones... one feels great and the other one dont know but should the color improve the tone, i guess not but on this axe it does... dont get me wrong but it the color of the axe has any effects on the guitar tone... any ways i´m looking foward to buy a custom epi or a zakk wylde model dont know yet but what i know is that the moment i get the guitar i´m gonna change the pups ...
JJ
well i´m the same situation... i like epi´s Lp´s standard, i have played two of them on the music store, i guess they are the last ones... one feels great and the other one dont know but should the color improve the tone, i guess not but on this axe it does... dont get me wrong but it the color of the axe has any effects on the guitar tone... any ways i´m looking foward to buy a custom epi or a zakk wylde model dont know yet but what i know is that the moment i get the guitar i´m gonna change the pups ...
JJ
theboatcandream
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
Micheal Steven's makes his own 7 string P90s for his own guitars, but he won't sell them without a guitar attached to them. The Duncan custom shop will take a 6 string P90 casing and drill it for a 7 string, but it's three times as expensive as a regular pickup. Gibson used to make 7 string single coils for slide guitars which look remarkably like P90s, however I have no idea how they sound and they've been out of production for 65 years:
That's all the information I've been able to find. Bill Lawrence wouldn't make me a 7 string P90. Dimarzio doesn't offer a 7 string P90 even though their 7 string product line is pretty large. I also talked to a couple high profile pickup hobbiests that people on this forum recomended to me, and neither of them wanted to try it.
I just did a google search and found a reference in some forum to a Jason Lollar who is willing to make a 7 string P90. I've never heard of him before, and his prices are similar to the Duncan shop.
flickoflash said:
Micheal Steven's makes his own 7 string P90s for his own guitars, but he won't sell them without a guitar attached to them. The Duncan custom shop will take a 6 string P90 casing and drill it for a 7 string, but it's three times as expensive as a regular pickup. Gibson used to make 7 string single coils for slide guitars which look remarkably like P90s, however I have no idea how they sound and they've been out of production for 65 years:
That's all the information I've been able to find. Bill Lawrence wouldn't make me a 7 string P90. Dimarzio doesn't offer a 7 string P90 even though their 7 string product line is pretty large. I also talked to a couple high profile pickup hobbiests that people on this forum recomended to me, and neither of them wanted to try it.
I just did a google search and found a reference in some forum to a Jason Lollar who is willing to make a 7 string P90. I've never heard of him before, and his prices are similar to the Duncan shop.
JacksonMIA
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
If you're considering paying $700 or more, and you don't mind buying a good used guitar, look into Heritage. You can probably get a used one for $800 or so, and they will out play even a Gibson LP in the $2000 range. You may want to change the electronics on it (pups, pots, etc.) but the body and neck won't require any work. Plus, they use a solid piece of mahogany - without any extra holes drilled in it. You have an incredible potential for tone, and you still didn't spend $1000.
Just my two cents worth.
If you're considering paying $700 or more, and you don't mind buying a good used guitar, look into Heritage. You can probably get a used one for $800 or so, and they will out play even a Gibson LP in the $2000 range. You may want to change the electronics on it (pups, pots, etc.) but the body and neck won't require any work. Plus, they use a solid piece of mahogany - without any extra holes drilled in it. You have an incredible potential for tone, and you still didn't spend $1000.
Just my two cents worth.
JeffB
Let it B
Re: epiphone les pauls?
Heritages are nice but I'm not sure they outplay any Gibson I've had once both guitars are set up properly. My particular H150 may have out-toned a couple tho
They are nice guitars for sure. But not quite "right" to me...And I never could place it....and not just cosmetically....perhaps its the fretboard radius/neck shape....?, something never felt right...mass of the headstock? slghtly diff bridge?..I'm not sure.
As for Epiphones: They are hit or miss.
However while my Gibson totally outshines the Epi in build quality/looks/electronics... as they are now, the Epi "out pauls" the real thing for sound. Perhaps it's jes the BBpros in my Gibson (I'm hoping so), but the Epi sounds/sustains as good as just about every Gibson LP I've had and the Heritage. You'd never know it wasn't a "real" one if ya couldn't see it. The pups aren't noisy, they are clear as a bell (within the limitations of it's PAF style design) or crunch like crazy and the sound is fat , blooms, and sustains very well.
The Epi also actually plays better for me. The action is a bit more snappy/responsive/tight...(enough resistance to keep me honest without causing me to work TOO hard) compared to the Gibson which is a little more buttery..it's almost too easy to play..even though they are set up basically identical.
If you are on a budget, play a bunch. I would stick with the LP Standard PLUS tho if going the Epi route. They use a Mahogany neck vs. the maple of the less expensive Epi LP's, and they seem to be a step up from the Classics and plain Standards overall.
Although I' have to admit I'm a little anal about having a Gibson proper, if it came down to it, If I could only have one and the new pups for my Gibson didn't help, the Epiphone with some electronics/nut work, would be my choice as far as tone/playability.
Heritages are nice but I'm not sure they outplay any Gibson I've had once both guitars are set up properly. My particular H150 may have out-toned a couple tho
They are nice guitars for sure. But not quite "right" to me...And I never could place it....and not just cosmetically....perhaps its the fretboard radius/neck shape....?, something never felt right...mass of the headstock? slghtly diff bridge?..I'm not sure.As for Epiphones: They are hit or miss.
However while my Gibson totally outshines the Epi in build quality/looks/electronics... as they are now, the Epi "out pauls" the real thing for sound. Perhaps it's jes the BBpros in my Gibson (I'm hoping so), but the Epi sounds/sustains as good as just about every Gibson LP I've had and the Heritage. You'd never know it wasn't a "real" one if ya couldn't see it. The pups aren't noisy, they are clear as a bell (within the limitations of it's PAF style design) or crunch like crazy and the sound is fat , blooms, and sustains very well.
The Epi also actually plays better for me. The action is a bit more snappy/responsive/tight...(enough resistance to keep me honest without causing me to work TOO hard) compared to the Gibson which is a little more buttery..it's almost too easy to play..even though they are set up basically identical.
If you are on a budget, play a bunch. I would stick with the LP Standard PLUS tho if going the Epi route. They use a Mahogany neck vs. the maple of the less expensive Epi LP's, and they seem to be a step up from the Classics and plain Standards overall.
Although I' have to admit I'm a little anal about having a Gibson proper, if it came down to it, If I could only have one and the new pups for my Gibson didn't help, the Epiphone with some electronics/nut work, would be my choice as far as tone/playability.
JacksonMIA
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
I hope you didn't think I meant ANY Gibson. I just meant the ones in the same price range. I believe Gibson is fully capable of putting out a great guitar.
Although the last new one I played (a Custom) was horrible. Even after a fret job, it still wouldn't play worth shooting. I'm glad he got rid of it.
I hope you didn't think I meant ANY Gibson. I just meant the ones in the same price range. I believe Gibson is fully capable of putting out a great guitar.
Although the last new one I played (a Custom) was horrible. Even after a fret job, it still wouldn't play worth shooting. I'm glad he got rid of it.
JeffB
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
My fault. I mis-read your statement, sorry about that :blackeye: But I think it really boils down to the individual Gibson irregardless of price. I've seen/played LP studios that sound 10 times better and were put together as good as anything I've seen. And yup there are some dogs too from the real high end stuff.
JacksonMIA said:
My fault. I mis-read your statement, sorry about that :blackeye: But I think it really boils down to the individual Gibson irregardless of price. I've seen/played LP studios that sound 10 times better and were put together as good as anything I've seen. And yup there are some dogs too from the real high end stuff.
JacksonMIA
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
That's OK, man. And I agree totally. You need to play the guitar before you buy it. That goes for any of them, though.
JeffB said:
That's OK, man. And I agree totally. You need to play the guitar before you buy it. That goes for any of them, though.
Luke Duke
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
Jeff, I think the bridge/TP is the difference you were probably hearing, I replaced mine with Tone pros and wow, it brought the guitar to life, and beyond.
Luke
JeffB said:Heritages are nice but I'm not sure they outplay any Gibson I've had once both guitars are set up properly. My particular H150 may have out-toned a couple tho
Jeff, I think the bridge/TP is the difference you were probably hearing, I replaced mine with Tone pros and wow, it brought the guitar to life, and beyond.
Luke
JeffB
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
Yup..when you are dealing with wood and "hand-made", ya gotta check 'em out if ya need to be sure.
I've actually lucked out with my last 3 Gibsons. All were tone monsters (though I don't care for the pups in my new Standard), and 2 of the 3 were bought sight-unseen. The Deluxe did have some fairly blatant cosmetic issues that ultimately kept me from keeping it..If it had been a couple hundred dollars less, I would not have cared as that guitar just sang. The good thing about buying online or from a chain like GC is the generous return policy. None of the local shops offer a return policy.. at least of any length to get a real feel under "normal" conditions (i.e. playing through your amp, where you play, etc.)
JacksonMIA said:
Yup..when you are dealing with wood and "hand-made", ya gotta check 'em out if ya need to be sure.
I've actually lucked out with my last 3 Gibsons. All were tone monsters (though I don't care for the pups in my new Standard), and 2 of the 3 were bought sight-unseen. The Deluxe did have some fairly blatant cosmetic issues that ultimately kept me from keeping it..If it had been a couple hundred dollars less, I would not have cared as that guitar just sang. The good thing about buying online or from a chain like GC is the generous return policy. None of the local shops offer a return policy.. at least of any length to get a real feel under "normal" conditions (i.e. playing through your amp, where you play, etc.)
JeffB
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
That very well could have been it Luke. Mine had the Schaller bridge, which technically is an improvement! :laugh2:
No doubt the build quality on the Heritage vs price paid is excellent. One of the nut slots on mine was cut goofy (basically two slots for one string!), and it had a couple of other minor issues, but for the money, it was still a great bargain.
Now if they'd just change that dang headstock...makes an Epi look cool
Luke Duke said:
That very well could have been it Luke. Mine had the Schaller bridge, which technically is an improvement! :laugh2:
No doubt the build quality on the Heritage vs price paid is excellent. One of the nut slots on mine was cut goofy (basically two slots for one string!), and it had a couple of other minor issues, but for the money, it was still a great bargain.
Now if they'd just change that dang headstock...makes an Epi look cool
flickoflash
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
My friend Jim Nunis just built Zakk a guitar which from what i understand he really loves
http://groups.msn.com/Flickoflash/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=183
http://groups.msn.com/Flickoflash/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=197
http://groups.msn.com/Flickoflash/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=187
http://www.jnunisguitars.com/
nahfuten said:
My friend Jim Nunis just built Zakk a guitar which from what i understand he really loves
http://groups.msn.com/Flickoflash/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=183
http://groups.msn.com/Flickoflash/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=197
http://groups.msn.com/Flickoflash/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=187
http://www.jnunisguitars.com/
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Stringmachine
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Re: epiphone les pauls?
Most of the Epi's I've tried have been god. I think that with a setup and some new pickups they'd be great. I don't know what Epi's & Gibsons cost in Germany, but in Norway you'll get a very god used Gibson for the same amount of cash. That would be my sugestion.
Most of the Epi's I've tried have been god. I think that with a setup and some new pickups they'd be great. I don't know what Epi's & Gibsons cost in Germany, but in Norway you'll get a very god used Gibson for the same amount of cash. That would be my sugestion.
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