Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

giopas

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Hi all,

I am looking for original wiring diagram of my Epiphone Les Paul Black Beauty 3, so that I can better understand what I find when I am going to replace the three HBs. :)

As you know the particularity of this guitar is that it has 3 HBs and 4 controls (1-neck volume, 1-neck tone, 1 bridge volume and 1-bridge tone).

Standard Seymour Duncan diagrams (like this one) does not seem therefore 100% accurate.

In this video is said that "the middle pickup was actually wired with a special 3-way switch", which I do not know it does mean in this case, but I suppose it means that its a different wiring compared to the 2 others. :)

It would be interesting to have the original diagram before messing around the cables. Do you know where to find it?

Thanks,

giopas
 
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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

I think I remember that the original ones had 3 volumes and one master tone. It looks like there are other options now with push/pull pots.
 
Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

I recently rewired my Black Beauty and took advantage of the Freeway switch which is a 6 way replacing the standard 3 way. Gives you total control of the pups. I wired up as 3v 1t and used push-pulls to also provide serial/parallel option for each pup. I have the wiring diagram for that if you're interested.

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

I don't have push pull pots, though

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

I recently rewired my Black Beauty and took advantage of the Freeway switch which is a 6 way replacing the standard 3 way. Gives you total control of the pups. I wired up as 3v 1t and used push-pulls to also provide serial/parallel option for each pup. I have the wiring diagram for that if you're interested.

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Yes please, I would be really interested to have the wiring diagrams! Could you please also give me the links/models of your Freeway Switch and pish-pull pots, so that I avoid to accidentally buy the wrong items? Thanks!

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

I can send you some 6 core shielded cable for the run from the switch to the control cavity.

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

Thank you, GourmetSaint! May I ask you what kind of pickup set did you mount on your Black Beauty 3? I am about to buy a Whole Lotta H set for bridge and neck and a Phat Cat in the middle... Does this sound right to you (I manly think to play rock, but I would also appreciate some variation)...

Finally, with my future set, do you see any advantage to use the push-pull + 6 way switch? If so, why (how would you use such additional possibilities)?

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

They're the ones, I bought 4 as I used a push-pull on the tone to give position 5 on the switch an option between the middle pup alone or all three together.

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The 6-way gives you full flexibilty of your 3 pups. Neck, neck-bridge, bridge, neck-middle, middle (or all with push-pull on tone) and middle-bridge. With volume blending available at each position you can dial in many sound combinations. The push-pulls on the volume pots give you series/parallel options. Parallel is traditional humbucker sound and series gives you a somewhat louder single coil sound with the additional impedance of the series connection of coils. I am not familiar with your choice of pups but, as long as they are 4 wire, you can use this wiring config.

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Hi,

The WLH set does use 4 wires[1], but as far as I can understand Phat Cat doesn't: http://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/phat-cat-neck

Or maybe I misunderstand when it is written: "the Phat Cat uses dual alnico 2 bar magnets, custom nickel or gold cover, nickel silver bottom plate, and single-conductor braided hookup wire". Am I right?

In such case, does all this wiring option still make sense? What could I achieve? Sorry but I never attended an electronic class at school :-)

[1] http://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/whole-lotta-humbucker-neck
the Whole Lotta Humbuckers use a rough cast alnico 5 bar magnet, nickel silver bottom plate, 4-conductor lead wire for multiple wiring options, and are wax potted for squeal free operation.

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

You're correct, the Phat Cat is not a true humbucker but that's ok. You still use the 6 way switch but you don't need the push-pull for the middle volume.

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

May I ask you to provide me an idea of possible choices with such pups? Sorry, I lack imagination :-)

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

The pups you chose are fine. The switches and wiring will just provide you the maximum combination of sounds available from those pups. Have you ever soldered and done any electronics before? The combination of 6-way switch and push-pulls is probably the most complicated option you have. If you're not confident with the soldering etc, get help or choose a simpler configuration

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My plan is to I definitely ask a professional to do the installation, but I will buy the stuff and tell what to do, that's why I am seeking advice to know what to ask him to do :-)

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Re: Epiphone LP Black Beauty 3 wiring diagram

Ok. No problem. Your installer should be able to follow the wiring diagram. Better if you find a pro with experience with the Freeway. You need 2 push-pulls for the neck and bridge pups, a plain pot for your middle p90 and a push-pull for your tone to give the all 3 pups on option if you want it (maybe you don't need that?). You need a piece of 6 core shielded cable for the run from the switch to the control cavity (it runs under the pups).

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a plain pot for your middle p90 and a push-pull for your tone to give the all 3 pups on option if you want it (maybe you don't need that?).
What would be the possible use of a push-pull pot for the tone? Maybe to have all the three pickups in series mode?

You need a piece of 6 core shielded cable for the run from the switch to the control cavity (it runs under the pups).
Is this available on stewmac? I cannot see it, but maybe I am just wrong.

At the end, as far as I understand, I have the following possible choice of set-up (excluding out-of-phase wirings):

A) replace the pickups only and keep the 3 original selector and pots. This is the simplest option. :)

B) replace the pickups and buy the 6 way selector, but keeping the original pots.

In this configuration I can imagine the following combinations:

Selector 1 - neck
Selector 2 - middle
Selector 3 - bridge
Selector 4 - neck+middle (parallel)
Selector 5 - middle+bridge (parallel)
Selector 6 - neck+bridge (parallel)

Of course I could also keep selector 4 to 6 in any other parallel or series combination.
C) replace the pickups, keep the original 3 way selector and buy 2 push-pulls for the neck and bridge pups (keeping the original pots for the middle and tone).

In this configuration I can imagine the following combinations (pushed=parallel; pulled=series):

Selector 1 - neck (pushed)+bridge (pushed)=neck only sound
Selector 1 - neck (pushed)+bridge (pulled)=neck sound+bridge sound in parallel mode
Selector 2 - middle
Selector 3 - bridge (pushed)+neck (pushed)=bridge only sound
Selector 3 - bridge (pulled)+neck (pushed)=bridge sound+neck sound in series mode (or viceversa neck sound+bridge sound in series mode, if it does make any difference - I am not sure about it)

In this situation I would not give many options to the middle pickup.
D) replace the pickups, buy the 6 way selector and 2 push-pulls for the neck and bridge pups (keeping the original pots for the middle and tone).

In this configuration I can imagine the following combinations: (pushed=parallel; pulled=series):

Selector 1 - neck (pushed)+bridge (pushed)=neck only sound
Selector 1 - neck (pushed)+bridge (pulled)=neck sound+bridge sound in series mode
Selector 2 - middle
Selector 3 - bridge (pushed)+neck (pushed)=bridge only sound
Selector 3 - bridge (pulled)+neck (pushed)=bridge sound+neck sound in series mode

Selector 4 - neck (pushed)+middle=neck+middle in parallel mode
Selector 4 - neck (pulled)+middle=neck+middle in series mode

Selector 5 - middle+bridge (pushed)=middle+bridge in parallel mode
Selector 5 - middle+bridge (pulled)=middle+bridge in series mode

Selector 6 - neck (pushed)+bridge (pushed)=neck+bridge in parallel mode
Selector 6 - neck (pulled)+bridge (pushed)=neck+bridge in series mode
Selector 6 - neck (pulled)+bridge (pulled)=neck+bridge in parallel mode

In this situation I can have many more possibilities.
Am I correct with the above?

Which mode should I use (parallel vs series) as a default?

Should I also think about out-of-phase combinations (maybe using the pull option of the tone to out-of-phase the combination - which is by default in-phase)? Like it is explained here?

At the end, are all these options really useful (taking into account that I have a Boss GT-100 pedalboard which already is able to accomodate much more sounds than I actually need :) )? Plenty of choice is good in theory, but in practice it may just be useless...

Thanks again for your help!

giopas

ps: kudos to this thread
 
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Ok. Without push-pull pots (ie keep originals) and use the 6-way switch and wire up as 3v and 1t you will get:
All pups in standard humbucker (parallel) mode.
Position 1: Neck only
Position 2: Neck and Bridge
Position 3: Bridge only
Position 4: Neck and Middle
Position 5: Middle only
Position 6: Middle and Bridge

If you use a push-pull on the tone pot you can add Neck, Middle and Bridge together in position 5.

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