Epiphone VS Gibson (give me your insights plz!)

strat_master

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GUys im really stuck now. I keep debating on either an epiphone (custom or standard LP) or a gibson studio/standard.....what sould i really get? Should i just save up for say 2 years or so and buy me the gibson standard LP? or save up one year for a studio gibson LP? or buy an epiphone custom LP or stanrd this summer with duncans? I plan on getting a a dsl401 for sure, so my cash this summer is minimized cause of that. But i wanna know would i be happier if i saved up and bought the best?

Please guys give me yourt thgouht and reviews of the guitars mentioned it would be a great asset!!!!!!!!!! thanks in advance as always!
 
Re: Epiphone VS Gibson (give me your insights plz!)

Gibson Standard LP. It's one purchase I'll never regret.

Some people like the Studio LPs. I honestly aren't too crazy about them. I feel the Std.'s build quality and tone is superior (maybe it's just in my head).

As far as Epiphone, if you want a cheap guitar that sounds pretty good and you don't care about resale value. I'm not a resale value nut, but there comes a point as a musician where you don't want to settle for "second best" or "bargain basement classics".
 
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My Main Thangs have always been the Gibson LP Standards. A lot of guys and gals love the Epi's. For me, it's just always been Gibson LP Standards.
 
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I have to 2 Epiphone Les Pauls ...1 being a studio and the other is LP-100. I don't see the need of forking over $1,000 for a guitar, but that is my opinion. Epiphones do have cheaper quality parts, like the pups..and tuning keys. I just upgrade those and i am satisfied. If you have the money to spare get a Gibson....but if you don't get an Epiphone...they can compete just as well after u do some upgrades. Then you would have saved yourself hundreds of dollars.
 
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Well....I have a few Gibsons as well as a few Epiphones. It really depends on your budget. If you feel like saving money for a couple of years and waiting on a Gibson then do so. If you want a Les Paul right now then get an Epiphone. Play a few and find one you like. Stick some Duncans in it and you'lll be good to go. I'm not gonna sit here and say that my Epiphones are better than my Gibsons because they're not....but they're not bad guitars by any means. Even though I have 4 Gibson Les Pauls, I still play my Epiphones regularly.
 
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JOLLY said:
Well....I have a few Gibsons as well as a few Epiphones. It really depends on your budget. If you feel like saving money for a couple of years and waiting on a Gibson then do so. If you want a Les Paul right now then get an Epiphone. Play a few and find one you like. Stick some Duncans in it and you'lll be good to go. I'm not gonna sit here and say that my Epiphones are better than my Gibsons because they're not....but they're not bad guitars by any means. Even though I have 4 Gibson Les Pauls, I still play my Epiphones regularly.

If anyone knows about epiphones and gibsons its JOLLY! he has plenty of both. JOLLY would you say if i got a much cheaper epiphone LP standard and added duncan would it sound decent enough to play say modern rock/punk/calssic rock??? What combo would you guys advise as well? Im looking for a more classic tone as well so im thinking 59/59??? My goal would probably be to come as close to a gibson LP standrad as possible.
 
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strat_master said:
BTW how are the tuners on epiphones???


They are trash IMO. As is the toggle, pups, pots, jack and wiring. If you go the Epi route be prepared to upgrade these items in the future. With that said, I own both and I play both regularly. The Epis are good guitars, they just need some hardware upgrades to be all they can be.


J
 
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If you get Epi Standard Plus it comes with Grover Tuners. So then all you have to do is upgrade the pickups, the Switch when it goes out (mine hasn't yet), and the controls (mine don't seem to do much, don't know if its just the epi's or if its Les Pauls period). I don't consider myself a good guitarist yet but the guitar sounds and plays awsome, especialy for the price. Just over $600 with a flame top that is to die for and a Les paul hard case. My next guitar is going to be a Gibson LP Supreme In of course Trans Amber. Until then I don't see any reason to get another.
 
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The Gibson is the better investment oer the long term as you can ALWAYS sell it for close to what you paid for it if you keep it in good condition. Many times it will go UP in value.

The Epiphone will always be a "copy" guitar, and it's resale value is much less.

The Gibson is a much better guitar, but much more expensive.

Have you thought about an Orville or Orville by Gibson which are Gibson Japan? How about Tokai?

http://guitargai.com

All of the above are better than current made Epiphones. If you shop around you can get a good one at a VERY fair price.

Peace.

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I've used a modified Epi Standard (Demon/PG) for years, and always loved how it played and how it sounded. Yeah, its not a Gibson but for what I play I couldn't really ask for more......

Until I finally got the cash to buy a 98 Gibson LP Standard, and I've not regretted the decision since! The Epi's now been relegated to backup, as its Gibby LP all the way for me now! (apart from my Strat anyway ;)) The Epi is still a good playing and sounding guitar, but there's no way on earth I'd part with my Gibby either!

What I'd do if I were you would be to weigh up my options and work out which guitar would work best for me in the long run. Then spend money making that guitar the best it can be :)

Just my opinion.....

Craig
 
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So let me get this straight...... the hardweare on epiphones are complete trash??? That means id have to change the pots,swtich toggle and tuners??!?!?!? thats not very cost effective! plus pick ups are a must!.....i dunno...sounds like a bad deal to me....maybe gibson would be the better choice.
 
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A rule of thumb I've heard is that you should always stretch your budget a little to get the better model rather than scrimp and get the cheaper one....

It's entirely up to you. But I'm guessing that even if you buy an Epi LP, you'll still want a Gibson LP standard one day.

I don't have a Les Paul yet, but it will be a Gibson when I get one.
 
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In my experiance, go for what you want, it's cheaper in the long run.

If you comprimise, you usually end up spending alot more when you have to pay for your first (comprimise) purchase, and you pay again when you get what you wanted in the first place.

Before you make a decision, I suggest you find the guitar that feels the best and start saving for it. Don't just pay for a name. I like Epi LP Studios (also Strats, Warlocks, and Jagstangs). That's a decision I came to after play-testing alot of guitars. If you play a Gibby LP Standard, and it feels right, then you should get the Gibby, but don't just buy it for it's image. Imagine if you were to drop big $$$$ on a Gibson, only to find out you like the feel of a Epi more! I hate it when sh*t like that happens to me.

I'm not saying not to get any particular guitar, just to make sure your eyes are wide open when choose your new axe.

The guitar should fit the player, not the player fit the guitar.

Just my opinion.
 
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strat_master said:
So let me get this straight...... the hardweare on epiphones are complete trash??? That means id have to change the pots,swtich toggle and tuners??!?!?!? thats not very cost effective! plus pick ups are a must!.....i dunno...sounds like a bad deal to me....maybe gibson would be the better choice.
Add to that neck problems I had to have the frets on mine and my sons leveled
 
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To me it appears that your heart says you want to get a Gibson LP Standard and that it might take you another two years to get it. What I would say is to you to save up and get what you want in two years time. If you get something as a stop gap measure in the meantime you will always be wondering and have to wait possibly a year or two, before getting your dream. I don't know what sort of gear you have at present, but as you are going to be getting a good amp this summer see what you can do with your present stock and see if it delivers.

We can all offer you advice on which one to go for but I think you know yourself that it will be a Gibson, in much the same way that someone else who frequents this forum did so not long ago.
 
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strat_master said:
So let me get this straight...... the hardweare on epiphones are complete trash??? That means id have to change the pots,swtich toggle and tuners??!?!?!? thats not very cost effective! plus pick ups are a must!.....i dunno...sounds like a bad deal to me....maybe gibson would be the better choice.


Here is the breakdown for a modded Epi LP:

Epi LP - $499
pups - $120
tuners - $50
toggle - $10
jack - $10
pots - $30
Luthiers fees to install - 100+
Guitar total = $819 (this is being conservative, probably closer to $900 when all is said and done)

I have all these mods on my Epi and it is an awesome guitar. It plays well and sounds great. But for the money I spent upgrading it I could have had another real LP.

If it were my money I would keep saving and get a used LP standard or a studio. Both great guitars that will serve you well for many years.

J
 
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I have owned and played an Epi LP Standard for a few years now, and it's been a great guitar ever since I replaced the tuners (old ones WERE junk), installed SD pups in it, and went through my electronics, replacing the switch (was messed up when I bought the axe), pots (became scratchy soon after the p.u. swaps), and capacitors (the old .047's were way too muddy). But mind you, I only paid $230, shipped, for it on ebay used and with slight damage to the bottom of the body where it had sat on a guitar stand evidently for too long or was mishandled once or twice. You should be able to find one for around $300 with no damage. There was a slight chip in the body itself and part of the binding was also chipped. Super easy repair on that (did it myself, it's not perfect but it gave the guitar "character"....lol) plus the upgrades have me into this guitar for about $500 total. I asked the tech I took it to for a setup after all my upgrades if, while blindfolded, he thought he could tell the difference between my Epi and a Gibson LP as far as playability is concerned, and he told me he couldn't. Of course he didn't A/B the two axes in that fashion, and neither have I, but my Epi is a great guitar IMO, and I'll never sell it. It flat out rocks!
I recently considered buying a Gibson in a serious way, went as far as placing a few bids on one or two on eBay for over $1000, but after being outbid and then picking my Epi back up and playing it for a long while I had to do a gut-check and ask myself why I was looking for a Gibson when I had a great player in my Epi. My answer was in buying a newer '01 American Strat instead for under half the price of a used Gibby LP.
I may eventually look seriously into a Heritage LP instead of a Gibson, as Heritage's are hand-made in the old Kalamazoo factory where all the Gibsons used to be made, and cost in some cases several hundred dollars less.
My advice? Play some Gibsons, and play some Epi's and let your conscience be your guide. You don't have to buy a new Epi, and with all the experienced DIY'ers here at the forum helping you could save much on the cost to pay a tech to do the upgrading. You could even do your own set-up as it's not really that hard, if you're inclined. I did pay $50 for a new set of Sperzel locking tuners (luv 'em), I didn't need a new output jack, I didn't pay $30 for pots (only paid $10 for 4 generic pots at a music/guitar shop that have not let me down yet), bought my SD pups used on ebay for under $100, and ended up only paying $75 to a tech to give it it's initial set-up (but that was before I learned so much more about doing it myself from the gang here at the forum and a few key websites). Whatever you end up buying, plan to keep it forever. That way you'll never regret it. Play a Heritage and a Tokai if you can find one. People write alot about how different guitars of the same make and model play and sound differently, but I feel each guitar has it's own character that anybody can adapt to if they are open minded. You can get used to anything if you work with it enough and adapt it to your tastes with a custom set-up, as I did.
I'm no authority on Gibson or other high-dollar guitars, but consider the Epiphone "better" models such as the Standard LP to be a good bang for the buck.
Just my $.05 worth.
 
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Guitarsmasher911 said:
...they can compete just as well after u do some upgrades.

No, they really can't. Epi's are good for the dough but they can't touch the real deal. Ultimately its a matter of what its worth to YOU.
 
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