Epiphones are so awesome
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Re: Epiphones are so awesome
Know what? Its sad but thats very very true, muscians friend is about the damned highest priced place on the net, and they wont honor their "Lowest price guaranteed!" Either...
Hell, They had a super blowout sell on the peavey classic 30 and I got my 50 brand new for cheaper than they had a 30 on blowout!
And until I play an epiphone, i'll have respect for em, I've heard alot of people at shops playing em and they sounded great to my ears.
(Not as good as my tele mind you.)
Biu said:Jesus played a Gibson, remember?
Know what? Its sad but thats very very true, muscians friend is about the damned highest priced place on the net, and they wont honor their "Lowest price guaranteed!" Either...
Hell, They had a super blowout sell on the peavey classic 30 and I got my 50 brand new for cheaper than they had a 30 on blowout!
And until I play an epiphone, i'll have respect for em, I've heard alot of people at shops playing em and they sounded great to my ears.
(Not as good as my tele mind you.)
Robert S.
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Poor string winding, old strings and crusty nut slots are more often the causes of a guitar falling out of tune than the tuners or even the guitars brand. A poorly intonated bridge in the hands of an unexperienced player is also an issue. Often a player will tune an "out" string in a chord and then chase the problem string to string.
With a basic set-up Epis tune and hold intonation just fine.
Poor string winding, old strings and crusty nut slots are more often the causes of a guitar falling out of tune than the tuners or even the guitars brand. A poorly intonated bridge in the hands of an unexperienced player is also an issue. Often a player will tune an "out" string in a chord and then chase the problem string to string.
With a basic set-up Epis tune and hold intonation just fine.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
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I love that guitar!
butnut said:I have a Japan Epi LP and it's made as good as my 70's Gibby LP. Long tennon neck joint and flawless finish. I got it from Wattage who upgraded the electronics and Duncan pups. It rocks...maybe even better than some new Gibsons.The stock tuners hold just fine too.
I love that guitar!
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hmm, I will have to make or find a thread about this sometime, I am interested in learning more about the nut slots and bridge intonations since my epi lp guitar goes out of tune easily. But I think my setup is a little different since I tune my guitar 1/2 step down or tune it to D; instead of E. I am pretty sure it is the tuners, so maybe there is a way to make the existing tuners better without replacing?
Robert S. said:
hmm, I will have to make or find a thread about this sometime, I am interested in learning more about the nut slots and bridge intonations since my epi lp guitar goes out of tune easily. But I think my setup is a little different since I tune my guitar 1/2 step down or tune it to D; instead of E. I am pretty sure it is the tuners, so maybe there is a way to make the existing tuners better without replacing?
Robert S.
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If you hear a "ping" when you are tuning or you tune the guitar and it goes flat and stays flat after the first bend its a nut slot issue. What happens is when you tune your guitar with a bad nut slot, the string tension is higher on the headsock side of the nut. If the bind releases your string is now pulled sharp.
If you are bending and the string ends up flat is it a result of the string being pulled across the nut and then binding before it returns to its original position. The string must glide across the nut and return to its static position if the guitar is to stay in tune.
I usually use automotive feeler guages, sized .001 smaller than the string guage that I have on the guitar and fold 1000 or 1500 grit sandpaper over them to make nut burnishers. Lightly run these through the nut slots from bridge to headstock (direction) with a downward angle so that you don't round out the leading edge of the nut.
Remember that most guitars come from the factory with the nut slots cut for 9 guage strings. If you are using 10s or 11s the slots often need to be opened up a little for the strings to fit without binding.
Drop tuning shouldn't effect tuning but it can change your truss rod relief requirements.
After I clean them up I sometimes use just a little carnauba wax or vasoline in the slots to lube them. Works like a charm.
If you hear a "ping" when you are tuning or you tune the guitar and it goes flat and stays flat after the first bend its a nut slot issue. What happens is when you tune your guitar with a bad nut slot, the string tension is higher on the headsock side of the nut. If the bind releases your string is now pulled sharp.
If you are bending and the string ends up flat is it a result of the string being pulled across the nut and then binding before it returns to its original position. The string must glide across the nut and return to its static position if the guitar is to stay in tune.
I usually use automotive feeler guages, sized .001 smaller than the string guage that I have on the guitar and fold 1000 or 1500 grit sandpaper over them to make nut burnishers. Lightly run these through the nut slots from bridge to headstock (direction) with a downward angle so that you don't round out the leading edge of the nut.
Remember that most guitars come from the factory with the nut slots cut for 9 guage strings. If you are using 10s or 11s the slots often need to be opened up a little for the strings to fit without binding.
Drop tuning shouldn't effect tuning but it can change your truss rod relief requirements.
After I clean them up I sometimes use just a little carnauba wax or vasoline in the slots to lube them. Works like a charm.
Quencho092
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Not being able to properly tune, intonate, and setup one's guitar is the equivalent of a carpenter being unable to sharpen his tools. If you take playing guitar seriously, you will be able to setup a decent guitar to play professionally.
My Ibanez GAX70 is a long shot from my strat, but it's my primary 'school' guitar because i don't want to be taking my 50th ann strat everyday. It cost me 150, and after i set it up recently, it stays in tune and intonated as well as my strat. All that kid at the camp needed to do to keep it in tune was properly stretch his strings and lube the nut and bridge saddles.
HamerPlyr said:
Not being able to properly tune, intonate, and setup one's guitar is the equivalent of a carpenter being unable to sharpen his tools. If you take playing guitar seriously, you will be able to setup a decent guitar to play professionally.
My Ibanez GAX70 is a long shot from my strat, but it's my primary 'school' guitar because i don't want to be taking my 50th ann strat everyday. It cost me 150, and after i set it up recently, it stays in tune and intonated as well as my strat. All that kid at the camp needed to do to keep it in tune was properly stretch his strings and lube the nut and bridge saddles.
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thanks for the tips Rob and BB!
thanks for the tips Rob and BB!
callous_frigid_chill
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i'll have to try some of the above with my epi. It's been having tuning problems.
i'll have to try some of the above with my epi. It's been having tuning problems.
Bludave
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Epihones WERE really good guitars before Gibson bought them. Back in the 40's, 50, and early 60's they made guitars that were virtually made by hand. I recently played a Acrchtop made in 1946 that was awsome. It played and sounded great. Bottom line ALL that Gibson retained of the Epiphone line was the name. Now they are made in Korea. What a shame
Epihones WERE really good guitars before Gibson bought them. Back in the 40's, 50, and early 60's they made guitars that were virtually made by hand. I recently played a Acrchtop made in 1946 that was awsome. It played and sounded great. Bottom line ALL that Gibson retained of the Epiphone line was the name. Now they are made in Korea. What a shame
Luke Duke
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By saying virtually made by hand I'm guessing that you are meaning no machines because for a long time they were made my hand after even, Gibson bought Epi in the 50's they continued to be good instruments until they were shipped overseas and turned into massed produced decent/mediocre instruments.
Luke
Bludave said:
By saying virtually made by hand I'm guessing that you are meaning no machines because for a long time they were made my hand after even, Gibson bought Epi in the 50's they continued to be good instruments until they were shipped overseas and turned into massed produced decent/mediocre instruments.
Luke
Frantic_Rock
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I once played an Epiphone Elitist Les Paul. That guitar was great and had this signature les paul sound. I think the pickups are burstbuckers in those guitars, thats why it sounded good. The action was rather low, but still not as nice as my Heritage. The only issues I saw was binding issues. There was an uneven crack between the neck side binding and the top of the body. The binding sorta looked messy in general, but the guitar sounded and played great.
I once played an Epiphone Elitist Les Paul. That guitar was great and had this signature les paul sound. I think the pickups are burstbuckers in those guitars, thats why it sounded good. The action was rather low, but still not as nice as my Heritage. The only issues I saw was binding issues. There was an uneven crack between the neck side binding and the top of the body. The binding sorta looked messy in general, but the guitar sounded and played great.
The Golden Boy
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I remember reading about Marshall using the Park name to put on cheap practice amps made in China or wherever. It's a name that's historically linked to the main company, but not linked close enough to damage their reputation.
The Gibson made Epiphones were made right in the Gibson plant. There's some really nice guitars there. The early Japanese Epiphones were nowhere near decent and were a good way off from mediocre. They did make Epiphones in the US for a while in the 80's. OK guitars.Luke Duke said:
I remember reading about Marshall using the Park name to put on cheap practice amps made in China or wherever. It's a name that's historically linked to the main company, but not linked close enough to damage their reputation.
Bludave
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Yes.... thats pretty much it. Epi had a production line where they had say seven or eight people working a particular function, much the way Martins were made. Epihone never really cranked out the numbers like Gibson and there quality was very good. They were always more avordable, but had excellent build quality. A real working musicians guitar.
I had a lengthy conversation with a guy in his 70's who made his living playing in big bands. His main Axe was an Epi for 30 years. He felt it sounded and played better than any of the other guitars of the day. His opinion and his guitar. I think we all like to feel that our guitr is the best.
Luke Duke said:
Yes.... thats pretty much it. Epi had a production line where they had say seven or eight people working a particular function, much the way Martins were made. Epihone never really cranked out the numbers like Gibson and there quality was very good. They were always more avordable, but had excellent build quality. A real working musicians guitar.
I had a lengthy conversation with a guy in his 70's who made his living playing in big bands. His main Axe was an Epi for 30 years. He felt it sounded and played better than any of the other guitars of the day. His opinion and his guitar. I think we all like to feel that our guitr is the best.
ErikH
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Epiphone now has a plant in China that makes nothing but Epiphones. Not all are made there but many are now. The quality there has gotten much better the last few years and they're turning out some pretty nice guitars.
Park amps came about when the guy that used to distribute Marshalls in the early days lost his right to do so when Jim signed an exclusive deal with another distributor. He rebadged some Marshalls as Part so his buddy could still work with him. They're different now but that's just a quick blurb on how they came about.
Epiphone now has a plant in China that makes nothing but Epiphones. Not all are made there but many are now. The quality there has gotten much better the last few years and they're turning out some pretty nice guitars.
Park amps came about when the guy that used to distribute Marshalls in the early days lost his right to do so when Jim signed an exclusive deal with another distributor. He rebadged some Marshalls as Part so his buddy could still work with him. They're different now but that's just a quick blurb on how they came about.