Obsessive Compulsive
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A 20 dollar pedal for an 8-grand mega rig is a disgrace. A dbx 31 band is more proper. And it's noiseless too.
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Obsessive Compulsive
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Alesis also has a programmable graphic EQ that allows you to save your settings.
Clint 55
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dystrust
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It's not exactly the same, but I tried to use several EQ pedals after a Soldano SP-77 rackmount preamp, and they all sounded terrible. I don't know if it was output, impedance, or something else, but it sounded like everything above about 4K was pretty sharply shelved off even when set 'flat'. This was before I was aware of anything like the Empress EQ (it may not have existed at that point), but I tried a BOSS GE-7, MXR 10-band, and several similar pedals.
You don't necessarily need a Pultec, but I'd look at something that handles line level well like a higher-end pedal (Empress?) or the dbx 31-band Obsessive Compulsive suggested. If you want to go really crazy, get something like a TC 1128 or similar with MIDI in so that you can EQ each of patches individually.
dystrust
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The Empress EQ doesn't have sliders because it's parametric. A graphic EQ has fixed bands, meaning that the frequency and Q (width) of each band are predetermined and you can only adjust the volume. A parametric EQ OTOH allows the frequency center to be selected, and the Empress has 3 different Q settings for each band. For ever great control, checkout something like this; Q is fully adjustable for each band and the high and low bands can be set to shelving.
Clint 55
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Dang, that sounds like a good feature. I don't know if I can handle any more knob faffing tho because the organ has parameters like crazy that you have to only use a few buttons and 1 knob to adjust. The Boss 10 band lets you select from 3 range settings.
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eclecticsynergy
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9 bands, $59.You don't need a footswitch, right?
Just sayin'...
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Just sayin'...
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dystrust
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The EQ200 has three sets of frequency centers, but the Q is fixed as far as I can tell which means that the width of each band can't be adjusted. The Empress OTOH allows you to select from three Q settings for each band, and the frequency centers are continually adjustable within a certain range for each band. For example the center of the 'mid' band is adjustable from 250Hz to 5kHz.
Before we get too far off topic, does your organ have EQ settings available at patch level? If it does, you should use that if at all possible as I doubt that a single EQ setting will work for everything you want to do unless there's a specific problematic frequency you need to manage. I really like a parametic EQ over a graphic for that application because I can zero in on the specific frequency with a really narrow Q and avoid cutting too many of the adjacent frequencies.
alex1fly
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You're trying to maximize the sound of your classic expensive organ - why not seek out advice from people that have specialized knowledge in your piece of gear? There have got to be some go-to preamps, pedals, or other processing that have classically gone with the B3 over the years. Like on here you'll see people saying "oh yeah, the Custom Custom sounds great in Strat-like guitars". If this were MY eight thousand dollar organ, I'd be finding the people that go "oh yeah, that model of organ sounds great running through an XYZ organ processor."
I'm sure many suggestions here would work well. But to draw an analogy, it's kind of like asking an HVAC guy about how to fix your roof simply because they're both components of a house. It's at least worth your time to seek out some specialized Hammond knowledge - or at least, it would be worth my time to do so.
I can't imagine a cheap guitar pedal making an $8k organ sound better. And any organist I've played with, either with the high end digitals like the Hammond or Nord or real B3s, C3s, and M3s never used guitar pedals.
eclecticsynergy
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CX-3 through an OD pedal is actually a great rock sound. The onboard overdrive is adequate for Leslie-type grit, but not for Jon Lord tone. The classic hits have his C3 running through Marshalls - to get close to that you need guitar overdrive.
I think the Boss will do great. Look forward to what you think on it.
Clint 55
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It's terrif. Completely silent, completely transparent, has enough bands to target all the frequencies. Keepin it. The one disadvantage to the digital organ is that it can sound like it's key click then kind of hollow without the punchy but warm sound of the real tonewheels. I'm able to dial in a more organic tone wheel sounding tone with this thing. I'm sure I'll be able to make even more good tones once I learn more.
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