Ever suddenly find that you've been in a rut with your guitar playing?

Re: Ever suddenly find that you've been in a rut with your guitar playing?

Lots of great advice before this post.

Gear acquisition vs practice time is largely an Internet phenomenon.

The best resolution is to play with other people which should lead to more individual, focused practice time.
It seems the Internet has allowed connection to other people without the playing. Not a bad thing in itself, but losing the playing part of the connecting can be.

So much of our tone is "in the fingers" but I think that is due to improvement in the ability to 'make it work' in context.
 
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When I find myself in a rut, I buy something. While this might not do anything for my playing, it does temporarily distract me from the rut I'm in.
 
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I'm in a rut right now...its called going back to school plus work and trying to get back into shape after a bad round of pneumonia last year. lol
 
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I have hit plateaus in my playing at several times throughout my life. I usually manage to find a way to move on. Sometimes it's new gears, sometimes it's getting rid of old gear, sometimes it's finding someone new to play with, or discovering a new genre of music. A few times it's been joining a new band, and more than a few times its resulted in me signing up for lessons. Lessons have probably helped me get out a rut the most. I never really take them for a long time. I took lessons in high school for about 2 years, but since then, it's been four months here, seven months there, two months somewhere else. I don't usually go in with serious expectations about what I need to learn, I'm usually just trying to expand my palette.

One memorable set of lessons was when I was struggling to get a handle on bluegrass. I couldn't figure out the rhythm, specifically the 1 - 5 alternating bass line part of strumming. I signed up for lessons assuming it would take me a while to figure out, but once my teacher showed me the alternating bass line, it all clicked. I'd gotten all I wanted from that first lesson, but I kept taking lessons for about seven or eight months, just learning as much about theory as I could.

Last summer I was in a bit of a rut, and I signed up for pedal steel lessons expecting just pedal steel lessons, but the guy was so good at theory that we ended up spending much more time on just pure theory than on my pedal steel technique (which still needs work, lol).


As far as tone goes, I feel like it's foolish to abandon the quest for tone. The quest for tone is never ending, and has a huge impact on your skill as a guitar player. Tone is about more than gear; it's about how you play your instrument, how you use your fingers and pick, how you manipulate your volume and tone knobs. It's about finding the right mix of gear and technique that inspires you to pick up your instrument as often as possible in a quest for improvement.
 
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When I feel like I am, I toss everything out. The tone I was working on, re-configure my setup, stop playing those 'stock licks', and listen to completely different music for a year or more. I once stopped bending strings (since I did it so much) for 10 YEARS. Once you toss out everything you learned/stole from other players, all that's left is you. You then have to start building your own vocabulary.

As guitar players, it is hard to get out of the shadow of all the classic licks and patterns...because, well, they sound good. People hear it, and they say we sound good. This makes us keep doing the same thing. Tossing all that out runs the risk of not getting that positive reinforcement all the time. No one wants to admit that they rely too much on stock patterns played by Guitar Players Past. Ditch all that, even for a little while, and you will most likely find something you do that no one else does.

Sounds as if you have been on one of those Bob Fripp Guitar Craft courses.
 
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Actually I haven't, but after reading about them, I don't know if 'his way of playing' is for me. But I get the idea. I understand it is designed so you aren't on autopilot every time you pick up a guitar, which is so easy. Although, I do recommend the book Zen Guitar.
Understanding how you learn (and not going against that), and constantly feeding the brain with new, inspiring places, thoughts & music keep the ruts fewer and farther between.
 
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Actually I haven't, but after reading about them, I don't know if 'his way of playing' is for me. But I get the idea. I understand it is designed so you aren't on autopilot every time you pick up a guitar, which is so easy. Although, I do recommend the book Zen Guitar.
Understanding how you learn (and not going against that), and constantly feeding the brain with new, inspiring places, thoughts & music keep the ruts fewer and farther between.

That truly gets to the heart of the matter. It is really about playing what your feeling every time you pick up your instrument. If you play the same thing today as you played yesterday you will be the same guitarist tomorrow you were today .
Hendrix : "Blues is easy to play, but hard to feel."
BB King : "We all have idols. Play like anyone you care about but try to be yourself while you're doing so."
Jimmy Page: “I believe every guitar player inherently has something unique about their playing. They just have to identify what makes them different and develop it.”
Santana: "“Most people are prisoners, thinking only about the future or living in the past. They are not in the present, and the present is where everything begins.”
 
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1. Most electric guitarists are illiterate compared to piano players or violinists. I reckon more than 50 percent don't speak more than minor pentatonic/ blues scale and 12-bar progression. So, discussing theories and its applications to spice up the technique or hard drugs like song writing is like speaking in another language. But 'gear' is universal.

Actually, I really enjoy learning the musical theory...why chords work the way they do, what makes the scales different, etc.. Basic stuff, I know. But I find it easier to learn if I know why I'm doing something as opposed to just learning it by rote.

That being said, my "skills" are still sadly lacking, as I can only measure the length of time I've been learning in months, not years. But it will come. I'll be 80, but it will come.
 
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Well, that is the thing. Don't worry about where you are not. Accept where you are, but take a baby step forward every day. Sometimes they will be giant leaps. BTW, I love music theory too, but it didn't make sense until I started actually improvising with different chords and scales. Once I got used to their weird sounds, I would notice them creeping into my playing.
 
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I find it beneficial to play acoustic guitar fairly often. This focuses my concentration on the fundamental process of getting mechanical energy into strings and sustaining that, unaided by electronic means.



I was going to begin this post with, "it cannot hurt" but that might prove to be untrue.
 
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I think playing acoustic, or even an electric rig that doesn't allow you to do all those tricks you rely on is a great idea. Or play another instrument entirely. It won't help the mechanics of guitar playing, but will help you think about guitar playing differently.
 
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I've been in that rut for years. It can be fascinating everything that you can do with tone, and how amazing it is to mess with all sorts of awesome plugins and such.

Last month though, i told myself i was gonna really put myself into working to play better. Turns out in like, 1 day, then one week, then 2 weeks, i got MUCH better, just by actually paying attention to what i was doing. I guess these days, the actual challenge and what takes a REAL talent to master something, is your ability to manage your time well, because all of the mystic stuff about guitar gods and such, them being special people above all or whatever, that is thankfully gone. :)

(Which Steve Vai by the way, said it in his old Guitar World columns, that we are all special and unique in a way, and that actually playing well, like doing well anything else in life, depends much more on your psychological side than in your physical one).

Lots of great advice before this post.

The best resolution is to play with other people which should lead to more individual,

I think this is really the case. And i think it is not the technicality itself that really teaches you something, the info itself is everywhere, but seeing that regular people, sometimes people with more problems than you, can do things you didn't thought were possible or thought were too hard, really teaches you that you can achieve anything you set your mind to, 'cause if others can, so can you.
 
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Seeing the guitar as the central thing is not helpful, it makes you always look 'in' in a rather narrow way, like navel-gazing. When you can see music as the bigger thing, you tend to look outwards more.


Ya know Crusty... Much of the things you say, make me envision Ive scaled this huge mountain and when I get to the top, instead of seeing the frail old man with a long beard and stache dressed in sheet, I find you sitting there holding your beat up old strat... You hit it out of the park so often...
 
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Ive been in a rut for 20plus years.. I get so little time to play, that when I do, I have enough time to rehash what I know (warmup and just try to enjoy it) and then no time to work on something new.. I agree with many of you in trying new things etc. I dont know if this is counter productive or not, but often times as of late, instead of rehashing the old, i just try to explore something new, but nothing structured. I feel like I should sit down with a tab and try to actually work thru something structured. I envy many of you that have a good grasp on basic playing to then be able really focus on something different.

I will say tho. That even tho Im a gear fiend and just built the pedal boards and all, I rarely use them. Just putting things together in hopes of needing it in the future.. A)I dont want to rely on the effects as a crutch (I used to do that) and B) dont want to waste precious time having to set it all up.

Ive often thought of just getting a basic guitar like a LP jr and making myself play nothing but that so I can make sure the focus is purely on getting the tone from my hands. Definately think often that I should sell almost all my gear and just keep a basic guitar and one amp until I learn how to really play it.
 
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As guitar players, it is hard to get out of the shadow of all the classic licks and patterns...because, well, they sound good. People hear it, and they say we sound good. This makes us keep doing the same thing. Tossing all that out runs the risk of not getting that positive reinforcement all the time. No one wants to admit that they rely too much on stock patterns played by Guitar Players Past. Ditch all that, even for a little while, and you will most likely find something you do that no one else does.

Ha, it reminds me of what she said in this video:
 
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I probably play as much with tons of effects as without. It is all important, and all different facets of guitar playing. I will add that playing live (and having at least some part of your live set improvisational) keeps something ahead to look forward to, and keeps you playing 'in the present' rather than 'in the past'- playing stuff you already know.
I also tend to write stuff I can't quite play yet, and is always a challenge to get right. I can't ever really be on 'autopilot'.
 
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Ya know Crusty... Much of the things you say, make me envision Ive scaled this huge mountain and when I get to the top, instead of seeing the frail old man with a long beard and stache dressed in sheet, I find you sitting there holding your beat up old strat... You hit it out of the park so often...

Hehe, you'd probably just find this little kid who claims to know nothing.

I've always done most of my electric guitar playing acoustically ... no amplification. I realised a few years ago that I'd been trying to emulate the sounds of my records, of guitarists with amps, acoustically since I was young. I'd try to get all the sounds, sweet, aggressive, singing, stinging, whatever, without the contribution of the amp and speakers. The end result seems to have been that most of how I sound is at the guitar end of the cable, and that was again illustrated to me when i tried to respond in the 'How Do You Tweak Your Amp' thread.

And then with the 'what to play' aspects ... even as a teenager in two-guitar bands, I was often trying not to be a guitar player ... I'd be trying to be a string section, a cello, a piano or organ, to make other textures beyond straight guitar. That probably led me to listen more to what those kind of other sounds could do, and how they'd be used.

I'm not saying i was particularly brilliant in any of those things, but they took me out of 'normal guitar thinking' into other areas ... the song, the emotional effect, and other ways to have effective input. I also had, and have, a healthy respect for silence, and an awareness that it's the blank canvas, and any noises I make are marks on the canvas, so it helps if they are thought-out, meaningful and worthwhile. Sometimes my best contributions are ... nothing at all. It's not all about me.

I've also played a lot of acoustic throughout my life. That is really something special, because it's all there with no extraneous clutter. The sense of history that goes all the way back, and how even the simplest thing can sound glorious and have deep emotional impact. Feeling that wooden box vibrating, it's kinda primal and about as meaningful as something can get.

I've spent my life playing, learning, it's all been about music and music-related stuff. To me, music and life are the same thing. It's been my constant companion. My most pleasing and productive times are when i don't think about the guitar at all from a 'technical' standpoint. Everything i've learnt has just been building the tools to create a toolbox. The music comes from life, not the toolbox. I don't wanna make music that says 'this is my spanner, here's my chisel, here's my paintbrush and you're gonna love my hammer'.

I go out, i have human interactions, I spend time at the river, i watch the platypus, i get caught in the rain, all kinds of stuff happens, good and bad. I have feelings when these things happen, they affect me emotionally. I pick up the guitar and try to play those feelings without thinking about notes or chords or theory or anything else. The tools just allow me to analyse things later if it's necessary.

Thinking about guitar often works completely against making music. Best not to think about it. Just think about what you feel and what you want to say.
 
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I've also played a lot of acoustic throughout my life. That is really something special, because it's all there with no extraneous clutter. The sense of history that goes all the way back, and how even the simplest thing can sound glorious and have deep emotional impact. Feeling that wooden box vibrating, it's kinda primal and about as meaningful as something can get.

Playing acoustic guitar gets you back to the absolutely fundamental business of getting energy into six stretched metal wires. Everything else is secondary to that. Sure, pedals make some sounds that would be impossible by any other means but you still need to be workin' those strings to exploit the electronically-enhanced sound palette.
 
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