Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
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Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
We had installed a few bridges for some flaky metal petal heads...it was the best thing since the atomic bomb.....until it was not a few months later....
Well a few huge holes and alot of money did it cost for a few months worth of playing....and new guitars....again.
Dunno what they expected but I guess they ADHD'ed on to the next wonder item...
Why not just buy a stable good fixed bridge guitar in the first place??
We had installed a few bridges for some flaky metal petal heads...it was the best thing since the atomic bomb.....until it was not a few months later....
Well a few huge holes and alot of money did it cost for a few months worth of playing....and new guitars....again.
Dunno what they expected but I guess they ADHD'ed on to the next wonder item...
Why not just buy a stable good fixed bridge guitar in the first place??
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
What made them dissatisfied with the bridges?
Fixed, floating, whatever... set it up properly and it’ll probably stay in tune.
What made them dissatisfied with the bridges?
Fixed, floating, whatever... set it up properly and it’ll probably stay in tune.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
Well for starters they found out that finger vibrato required them to move their fingers more...as in alot more!
In the end it was only useful for keybordish taaaaaajt chug dadabombom blah blah....well kinda sounding the same all the time.....
All the usual little quirks that ads life was gone, if that is your thing...well knock yourself out
Well for starters they found out that finger vibrato required them to move their fingers more...as in alot more!
In the end it was only useful for keybordish taaaaaajt chug dadabombom blah blah....well kinda sounding the same all the time.....
All the usual little quirks that ads life was gone, if that is your thing...well knock yourself out
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
OK, I checked it out on youtube. I'm really confused now.
The main idea seems to be to keep the string at exact tension all the time. So you're kinda killing a lot of what makes a guitar sound like a guitar . . . vibrato, bends, etc. I literally never play guitar without constantly doing both of those . . . and can keep my guitar in tune for weeks at a time by playing a guitar with a Floyd.
I guess that it would help if you have bad fretting technique and constantly press chords sharp, but wouldn't it be better to just fix your technique rather than buy something?
OK, I checked it out on youtube. I'm really confused now.
The main idea seems to be to keep the string at exact tension all the time. So you're kinda killing a lot of what makes a guitar sound like a guitar . . . vibrato, bends, etc. I literally never play guitar without constantly doing both of those . . . and can keep my guitar in tune for weeks at a time by playing a guitar with a Floyd.
I guess that it would help if you have bad fretting technique and constantly press chords sharp, but wouldn't it be better to just fix your technique rather than buy something?
PFDarkside
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Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
Yes, hence the reason why it’s mostly heavy rhythm players installing them. I was interested because of the technological advancement, but I came to the same conclusion that it removes a lot of the expressiveness of the guitar.
Yes, hence the reason why it’s mostly heavy rhythm players installing them. I was interested because of the technological advancement, but I came to the same conclusion that it removes a lot of the expressiveness of the guitar.
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
Anyways, more info on the bridge:
As far as how the overall unit works, imagine a bridge where every string had their own Floyd Rose-style floating knife-edge saddle. That's basically what an Evertune is, at the highest level. When tension on a string goes down, the "spring" side of the fulcrum pulls back harder, which keeps string tension constant, which in turn, keeps the instrument in turn.
Whether or not you can bend notes (and how easily you can do it) depends on how you set the bridge up. The short version is that there's two "zones" for the saddle as it tries to stay in constant tension; when it's in zone 1, the pitch will remain constant, but if you bend far enough that you enter "zone 2", it acts like a normal bridge. The user (or tech) can set how close it is to the zone 1/zone 2 border "at rest"; that is, you can set it so that you can't bend notes at all, or you can set it so that it's barely any different than a normal fixed bridge. All of the talk of "so-and-so tried it and found they had a really hard time bending notes and doing vibratos!" is just user error.
The big plus-side to the Evertune for guitarists who like to downtune a lot is that it keeps you from strumming a note sharp. When you've got somewhat low tension because you're tuned low, it's impossible to avoid going out-of-tune on your attack while picking hard enough to have a good ballsy rhythm on a traditional fixed bridge; the Evertune solves this problem. The down-side is that it's a huge tone-suck; it's like the difference between a fixed bridge and a fully-floating Floyd times 10, because not only is every string floating on a spring, but they're not even all attacked to one big block to give it some mass to vibrate against. Evertune guitars have a tendency to sound somewhat dead and have poor sustain, just because of the physics of the situation.
Huh, I'd have thought that someone advocating modding the hell out of guitars would be fairly normal on a forum dedicated to a company that makes aftermarket guitar parts.
Anyways, more info on the bridge:
As far as how the overall unit works, imagine a bridge where every string had their own Floyd Rose-style floating knife-edge saddle. That's basically what an Evertune is, at the highest level. When tension on a string goes down, the "spring" side of the fulcrum pulls back harder, which keeps string tension constant, which in turn, keeps the instrument in turn.
Whether or not you can bend notes (and how easily you can do it) depends on how you set the bridge up. The short version is that there's two "zones" for the saddle as it tries to stay in constant tension; when it's in zone 1, the pitch will remain constant, but if you bend far enough that you enter "zone 2", it acts like a normal bridge. The user (or tech) can set how close it is to the zone 1/zone 2 border "at rest"; that is, you can set it so that you can't bend notes at all, or you can set it so that it's barely any different than a normal fixed bridge. All of the talk of "so-and-so tried it and found they had a really hard time bending notes and doing vibratos!" is just user error.
The big plus-side to the Evertune for guitarists who like to downtune a lot is that it keeps you from strumming a note sharp. When you've got somewhat low tension because you're tuned low, it's impossible to avoid going out-of-tune on your attack while picking hard enough to have a good ballsy rhythm on a traditional fixed bridge; the Evertune solves this problem. The down-side is that it's a huge tone-suck; it's like the difference between a fixed bridge and a fully-floating Floyd times 10, because not only is every string floating on a spring, but they're not even all attacked to one big block to give it some mass to vibrate against. Evertune guitars have a tendency to sound somewhat dead and have poor sustain, just because of the physics of the situation.
Chris Pile
Well-known member
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
I think you nailed what I was thinking... But wouldn't it be a Floyd times 6 (or the number of the strings)?
I think you nailed what I was thinking... But wouldn't it be a Floyd times 6 (or the number of the strings)?
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
Has anybody seen an example of anybody blues with one?
Has anybody seen an example of anybody blues with one?
Chris Pile
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Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
YE GODS! Just watched the routing video....
It's very involved, and it removes SO MUCH wood from the guitar.
I don't want to do this to even one guitar, let alone four of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeRandjrYUg
YE GODS! Just watched the routing video....
It's very involved, and it removes SO MUCH wood from the guitar.
I don't want to do this to even one guitar, let alone four of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeRandjrYUg
allstarrme
New member
Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
I have 2. I got them preinstalled on an ESP Ltd Eclipse. I probably will get one installed on a Les Paul rather than the g force.
They sound so good, you don’t go sharp from heavy fretting and stay in perfect tune and intonation across the fretboard. Chords sound better, in tune anywhere. Amazing.
You can throw away your tuning pedal or headstock tuner and focus on your playing.
I have mine setup to bend, they work great, and I haven’t tuned my guitar in months, let alone during our four hour sets.
I switch between evertunes and Floyd rose between sets but the Floyd still needs tuned depending on the weather and how hard I dive Bomb.
I have a strat I never play because it won’t stay in tune. The evertune was made to fit into the strat or trem equipped guitar without a lot of hacking, but for a hard tail it’s a lot of hacking.
I will install several when they make a new version that’s not so large and intrusive. They can make it without removing so much material and shorter springs. I think they are doing a bass version before the new guitar version comes out though.
Here’s a picture since everyone seems so set against them. Standard E tuning, no chugs, mostly covers.
I have 2. I got them preinstalled on an ESP Ltd Eclipse. I probably will get one installed on a Les Paul rather than the g force.
They sound so good, you don’t go sharp from heavy fretting and stay in perfect tune and intonation across the fretboard. Chords sound better, in tune anywhere. Amazing.
You can throw away your tuning pedal or headstock tuner and focus on your playing.
I have mine setup to bend, they work great, and I haven’t tuned my guitar in months, let alone during our four hour sets.
I switch between evertunes and Floyd rose between sets but the Floyd still needs tuned depending on the weather and how hard I dive Bomb.
I have a strat I never play because it won’t stay in tune. The evertune was made to fit into the strat or trem equipped guitar without a lot of hacking, but for a hard tail it’s a lot of hacking.
I will install several when they make a new version that’s not so large and intrusive. They can make it without removing so much material and shorter springs. I think they are doing a bass version before the new guitar version comes out though.
Here’s a picture since everyone seems so set against them. Standard E tuning, no chugs, mostly covers.
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Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
I understand keeping it in tune, but what is the advantage over a hardtail and good technique? The Evertune isn't something like a TransTrem which keeps all the strings in tune with each other when using a vibrato- the Evertune essentially keeps the strings from stretching. So why choose that over something that holds the strings like a typical hardtail? I really am curious- I would think decent technique could do that, too.
I understand keeping it in tune, but what is the advantage over a hardtail and good technique? The Evertune isn't something like a TransTrem which keeps all the strings in tune with each other when using a vibrato- the Evertune essentially keeps the strings from stretching. So why choose that over something that holds the strings like a typical hardtail? I really am curious- I would think decent technique could do that, too.
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
Certain chords sounding out of tune is due to the way the frets are laid out, not the strings.
Certain chords sounding out of tune is due to the way the frets are laid out, not the strings.
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
^ Though I feel like we’re beating this thing up kind of unfairly, I feel compelled to keep digging until I figure out what I’m missing. Still want to hear a blues guy plug a vintage style Strat with one into a Deluxe and demo it clean.
^ Though I feel like we’re beating this thing up kind of unfairly, I feel compelled to keep digging until I figure out what I’m missing. Still want to hear a blues guy plug a vintage style Strat with one into a Deluxe and demo it clean.
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
Also, in the studio, it's not uncommon for bands to break songs up into a lot of little bits to record separately to get around minor tuning issues (a fixed bridge will generally drift a cent or two during a full-song take). An Evertune doesn't have that drift.
If you just want to play blues licks in your bedroom, you probably have no need of it. If you do studio work, or really heavy rhythm work, it can be a useful tool.
No matter how "good" your technique is, your attack will always be sharp if you're picking hard. Not so with the Evertune.
Also, in the studio, it's not uncommon for bands to break songs up into a lot of little bits to record separately to get around minor tuning issues (a fixed bridge will generally drift a cent or two during a full-song take). An Evertune doesn't have that drift.
If you just want to play blues licks in your bedroom, you probably have no need of it. If you do studio work, or really heavy rhythm work, it can be a useful tool.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
Re: Evertune - who has one, is it worth it?
Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and as a heavy handed player I’m not sure I’d want something that inhibits it. The way my guitar responds to my attack is supremely important to me, I don’t think I’d like something that intentionally detracts from that.
The other problem I can see is that if my attack is neutral, but every other guitarist and bassist I play with is sharp... then I’m not in tune with the band.
I’m not going to hate on this device since it does serve a purpose, but I will continue to say that it’s a solution for a problem I don’t have.
Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and as a heavy handed player I’m not sure I’d want something that inhibits it. The way my guitar responds to my attack is supremely important to me, I don’t think I’d like something that intentionally detracts from that.
The other problem I can see is that if my attack is neutral, but every other guitarist and bassist I play with is sharp... then I’m not in tune with the band.
I’m not going to hate on this device since it does serve a purpose, but I will continue to say that it’s a solution for a problem I don’t have.
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