Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

Marshall_Abuser

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Hey everyone!

I'm really picky when it comes to bridge pickups. I have tried many of them over the last many years, but I haven't found "THE" bridge pickup yet.

Basically, what I'm looking for is a smooth bridge pickup that's really thick and sings like a neck pickup, but with lots of output and harmonics that jump off the fretboard. I play guitar instrumental music (think Vai, Timmons, Sfogli, Gilbert, Govan, etc.) as well as 80's shred music (think Lynch, DeMartini, Slamer, Schon, etc.). I also like good session players like Landau, Lukather and Pierce. I'm playing lead guitar 95% of the time when I'm at home and don't really care for rhythm tones or what not. I want a thick lead tone with lots of cut and some personality.

Here is a list of the bridge pickups I've used over the years, with some comments :

EMG-85 : I really like this pickup, but the mids are a bit too honky. Sounds just like Reb Beach, no matter what guitar or amp I use.

EMG-81 : Too much pick attack, clanky sounding. Otherwise, pretty nice EQ, really thick, not too much high-end or "grit" and tight in the bass. To my ears, the 81 is a really smooth pickup with rolled off high-end.

Dimarzio Super Distortion : Bland, no personality, "grainy" and felt weak

Dimarzio Tone-Zone : Used to be my fave, but really ugly in the highs, too much "grind" going on in the highs, sounds a bit like the Duncan Distortion in the highs. Not smooth enough.

Duncan Distortion : Too grindy in the highs to be useable for me. Sound incredible for rhythm though, but definitely not my cup of tea for smooth leads.

Duncan JB : Very nice tone, but it seems to lack a lot of mids. Has a lot of treble energy, hence the pick attack sounds louder than the notes behind it. Not what I want. Harmonics are #1 and just incredible. Notes sing, which is what I like! But it lacks mids and it's output is the BARE minimum acceptable for my needs.

Duncan Full Shred : My current favorite, but lacks some output. A really nice pickup. Smooth, middy, responsive, tight in the bass department. But not enough harmonics and personality (lacks some of that AW- half cocked wah tone the PAF-Pro has).

Dimarzio PAF-Pro : Weak, but OK tone and EQ. I like the FS much better.

Duncan Custom : Hated this pickup. Scooped in the mids, sounded really thin and trebly. Best descriptive to me would be "hollow". I don't like PAF tones that much me thinks ! Also, output was a bit too low, or at least, the pickup didn't feel hot at all.

Dimarzio X2N : Nice ! Powerful, even EQ'd, really fat with just enough grind. But a little more harmonics would be welcome. Also, magnetic pull becomes a problem, as I like my bridge pickups really close to the strings. Sounds a bit "weird" and phasey sometimes. Overall I like it.

Dimarzio Evolution bridge : Hated it... much too tight, with artifiicial high-end. I really hated this pickup. Has some presence brightness that I cannot stand. I like smooth !

Dimarzio Steve's Special : I like mids...and the Steve's hasn't got any. It sounded really "hi-fi" and hollow sounding, without much power.

Ibanez V8 : One of the best bridge pickups I've used. Harmonics galore, very middy and lots of output. It just lacks quality in the tone and some fatness.

I'm thinking about the Duncan Alternative 8 (currently my #1 choice), Duncan Invader, Duncan Custom Custom, Dimarzio Breed bridge, Dimarzio Super 3 and Dimarzio D-Sonic.

I have played the Invader before and recall that I liked it A LOT ! It's thick ! But I'm not sure it's as tight as I like it on the lower strings. The FS is tight as I want on the bottom strings. I play 11-49 gauge strings tuned to Eb.

Guitar sensation Marco Sfogli uses a D-Sonic and he honestly gets one of the best lead tones I've heard on the song "Sunset Lights". Very fat, tight, middy and vowel-like. However, I'm no fanboy and I'm not gonna jump on a D-Sonic. I would much prefer a Duncan for various reasons.

Guitars I have are superstrats made of alder with fixed bridges (or blocked trems) and rosewood fretboards. Alder is my fave body wood, it's tight and has good cut without being to shrill. I don't like mahogany that much, as it sounds too dark and mellow for my tastes. I have a basswood axe and I really dislike the tone of basswood.

Ohh yeah, and I mostly play/record thru a POD (Mesa Mark models) these days. I don't use the internal cabinet modelling though. I much prefer impulse responses or micing an external cab.

Thanks for any advice !


EDIT : Add the Duncan RTM to my list of interests ! I don't mind paying custom shop 160$ if it gets me the tone I want.
 
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Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

Gibson's original Dirty Fingers are so over the top, they can be controlled (not tamed :)) by various pots and caps....but mostly by meaty palm/palm moves across the bridge!

There are some seriously wild chord grinds with Dirty Fingers, that are not available otherwise.
 
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Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

Sounds like you want a Custom Custom. Rich mids, smooth like the EMG 85 but without everything you didn't like about it.
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

Try dropping an a8 mag in any of those pickups that you liked the most overall, and see what happens. I have an A8 DD in a similar guitar to what you've got and the mag swap cured all of my initial gripes about that pickup.
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

You've tried the popular metal PU's; what about the Custom 5 & 498T, which are my favorites. The alnico magnets give them more character & color than ceramics. I use them with 250K pots which takes off some treble & plays up the mids, more body with plenty of bite left.
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

If you like fat, thick bridge pickups, the A2 '59b and A2 JB would be possible choices, as would the Custom Custom.

Also, if you like the Full Shred, why not try it with an A8 magnet?
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

Check out the Alt 8 my friend. I was in the same situation as you, I wanted a thick, neck-like lead tone for the bridge position that was musicial but still had some balls. Ive tried many of the same pickups you have and I for the most part agree with your descriptions. I'm extremely happy with my sound now.
 
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i suggest the custom custom, but only cause I know they have lots of mids and they are still hot, like an overwound PAF.
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

All of you guys going for a neck like bridge position...I have question.

Don't you have trouble finding a spot in the mix when gigging? Vai, Gilbert, Timmons....Govan....they all have a lot more high end than some people seem to realize.
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

Custom Custom as long as you aren't needing a super tight bass sound. Lots of guys overlook it, but the Invader does the hot and smooth thing too. It's going to be in the range of output that the X2N is in though...so you might want to remember that!

Luke
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

All of you guys going for a neck like bridge position...I have question.

Don't you have trouble finding a spot in the mix when gigging? Vai, Gilbert, Timmons....Govan....they all have a lot more high end than some people seem to realize.

The only aspect of the neck pickup sound I want from my bridge pickup is the thick syrupy lead tones you might get from, say, a 59n. The Alt 8 does this to a certain extent, it still isn't as syrupy as a 59n but its about as close as you can get. And it actually stands out really well in a live, two guitar, gigging situation.
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

Nope. Reb Beach used this pickup extensively with Dokken and I didn't like his tone at all. Furthermore, the Tone-Zone has somewhat the minimum output level that I want out of a pickup and the Norton is supposedly weaker (so is the Breed bridge).

About the Custom Custom, I think it won't have enough output and it won't be tight enough on the lower strings. I like the tightness I get with the FS.

Basically, what I want is a more harmonic FS, with more output and more agressiveness without being brittle. Something like a FS, EMG-85 and a JB in the same pickup would be perfect.

When I say I like a tone that's warm like the neck pickup, I don't mean that I don't want any treble. I want good treble bite, but it has to be smooth (unlike a DD, for example).

I added the Crazy8 and Alternative8 on my list and removed the Breed bridge, Invader and Custom Custom. I still keep the DMZ Super 3 and D-Sonic on my list though. Phil Collen has a very nice smooth saturated "bridge but neck like" tone on Adrenalize (also one of my fave tones!) and he was using a Super 3.

Also how about the Duncan RTM? Should be like a JB with more mids and more output and smoother due to the A2 magnet ?

You haven't tried a regular DMZ Norton?
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

The Crazy 8 fits all your requirements, but I would buy a real amp before I would get too hung up on the "perfect" bridge pup - your playing through a POD!
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

The breed Bridge is hotter than a Norton or a JB. A JB with an alnico 2 magnet has a wider overall midrange response and smoother highs. Bass gets softer. You could also go with the Warren Demartini pickup...which is similar to a JB but has more low end.


I noticed something interesting in your first post. Most of the players you list dont use super hot pickups...a couple do at times but in your list only Vai and Lukather use super hot pickups most of the time.
 
Re: Fat, thick, bridge pickups ?

I have a real tube amp. I've been using a Mesa Single Recto for the last 7 years and have always been happy with it. It's just that right now, due to volume level and noise considerations, I cannot use the Mesa, so I record and play using the POD.

Still, I must say that a POD sounds great when one disables the onboard cab simulation. Don't be too quick to judge Line6 stuff.

The Crazy 8 fits all your requirements, but I would buy a real amp before I would get too hung up on the "perfect" bridge pup - your playing through a POD!
 
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