Fender Bassbreaker

Re: Fender Bassbreaker

Ha. I know this. I own a vintage Princeton. My point is purchasing a NEW Fender -where you have choices. I'd want the reverb.

I too wish they had reverb. But their "concept" is to reissue old non-reverberated circuits with certain added features. The 18/30 is the regular channel of a BF Deluxe, and a brown Deluxe. The 45 is supposed to be similar to a Bassman. Etc.

My main gripe is lack of effects loops.
 
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I too wish they had reverb. But their "concept" is to reissue old non-reverberated circuits with certain added features. The 18/30 is the regular channel of a BF Deluxe, and a brown Deluxe. The 45 is supposed to be similar to a Bassman. Etc.

My main gripe is lack of effects loops.

Agreed, but they don't want to deviate to much from the original circuits for fear of alienating their prime market -or worse make an amp that sits between to 2 markets and doesnt do anything the best.

Good news -Effects loop is a really easy mod on any Fender. one of my deluxe's has one I added because I was doing a lot of Delay and Shifting
 
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Off Topic - CR60 Speaker

Hail Smitty302,

Another CR60 owner here.
Since you like the CR60, I have to ask .......
Is your Orange equipped with News to the World speaker?
Would you consider changing speakers?
I found that changing the speaker was like taking a rug off the amp and found some nice grit in the clean channel.
 
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Re: Off Topic - CR60 Speaker

Hail Smitty302,

Another CR60 owner here.
Since you like the CR60, I have to ask .......
Is your Orange equipped with News to the World speaker?
Would you consider changing speakers?
I found that changing the speaker was like taking a rug off the amp and found some nice grit in the clean channel.

Yeah mine still has the stock Voice of the World speaker. I heard changing them really improves the sound, which I've been happy with the sound of the amp. What kind of speaker do you have and have you been happy with the amp so far?
 
Re: Fender Bassbreaker

The history of Fender and Marshall amps puts the BB line into perspective. Fender amps from the 50s had tan tweed covering. In 1960's they not only got a different look but a different sound. They began the evolution toward the king of klean. But they didn't have the same raw rock-n-roll raunchiness if the Tweed amps. Marshall took up that mantle. One exception was the early 60's Brown Faced Fender Deluxe. These have long been used in studios to emulate cranked Marshall lead tones with out clipping the mics.

Marshall's first amp, the JTM45, was a copy of the 59 4x10 Tweed Bassman circuit, but it ran through a closed back 4x12 loaded with Celestion 12" speakers. It also used British parts such as KT66 tubes and eventually Drake transformers. After a few years they switched over to EL34 tubes. EL34 tubes are about twice as sensitive to the input signal as 6L6 and 6V6 types so they overdrive more easily and really reproduce picking dynamics.

Marshall also had a 18 watt combo amp that used EL84 tubes. EL84s are also very sensitive to the input signal. The 18 watt didn't have the tight punchy lows of the big Marshalls, but it could get the creamy overdriven top end. The 18 watt has also been used on a lot of studio recordings as a substitute for a big Marshall. EL84s are also the tube used in the Vox AC30 which also used Celestion 12" speakers.

The 2x12 combo version of the JTM45 was used by Eric Clapton on a landmark Bluesbreaker album. It received the nick name of Bluesbreaker.

So now we find Fender has a line of amps in black tweed covering using EL34s or EL84 tubes through Celestion speakers and calling them Bassbreakers.


There is 45 watt version using EL34s. It also has power scaling with power adjustable from 45 watts to 1 watt..

An 18/30 watt version using EL84s and reportedly voiced close to the Brown Faced Deluxe.

Then 15 watt and 7 watt versions using EL84s.

If your used to a solid state Orange the EL84 powered versions might be a little loose depending on the type of music you play.

There actually was an older Fender Custom Shop amp called the Bassbreaker, which was a Bassman reissue chassis in a combo with 2-12 Celestion Vintage 30's. It had a matching ext. cab with the same speakers. They reused the name on this new series. I always wanted one of the original ones.
Al
 
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There actually was an older Fender Custom Shop amp called the Bassbreaker, which was a Bassman reissue chassis in a combo with 2-12 Celestion Vintage 30's. It had a matching ext. cab with the same speakers. They reused the name on this new series. I always wanted one of the original ones.
Al

I forgot about those. I can remember when two tweed bassmans or sometimes the original bassbreakers were often used to play blues in bars. Oh how times have changed.
 
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The supersonic 22 is really good. Real tube spring reverb. First channel is very very very deluxe reverb. The fat switch gives your bassman-like qualities. More volume, mids and bass. The dirt channel has a tiny bit less bass and highs, but the mids knob had huge range and takes it from blackface at about 2 to very tweedy and almost Mesa like thickness at full up. With the switchable fx loop you can use an eq pedal to further sculpt those. It's so versatile sometimes I wonder why I have multiple amps.
It's loud and has sweet overdrive for a fender. The 2 gain controls idea really works for the burn channel.
It comes stock with jj6v6. Keep those for bold sound with late breakup. Change to more traditional 6v6 like eh or Tung sol, or old stock and start to feel that good breakup starting around 5 on the volume.
It's a really good amp but it's a tad noisy and the reverb is a bit darker and you have to set it higher to match a deluxe reverb reissue.

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I'm not a pro musician but get a reverb pedal if you need reverb then use your guitar's volume knob in conjunction with a dirt pedal with a versatile range of dirt then you can play just about any decent amp and get some good tones. That Bassbreaker has caught my eye on a number of occasions.
 
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The 7wt is pretty loud for the wattage, gets Billy Gibbons-ish pretty easily but didn't really fit in anywhere for me except for recording.

The 18/30 sounds really good and gets stupid loud pretty easily, the 45 can literally remove your scalp, both of them make great pedal platforms.

The 15wt is seriously versatile, can easily compete with the CR60 especially if you add the 1x12 extension cab and it has reverb.

Look at the 15wt head and a 2x12 cab, be a righteous setup that can do tons
 
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I finally got the chance to try the entire line.

I don't like any of them except for the 15...and it truly kicks ass. I will be getting one of the combos, and the matching 1x12 extension cab for it.

The 7 sounded worthless to me. Might as well play through a crapy solid state practice amp. The 18/30 and the 45 are too stiff and dry.

The 15 has great gain controls, great e.q. controls, breaks up at exactly the right point for me, and has reverb and an effects loop. I.e. all the stuff the more powerful and expensive models should have, but for some silly reason do not.

Some speaker swaps to fine tune it to taste, and it will be a monster.

I need another 15W amp like I need a hole in my shoe. I have a real '68 Princeton Reverb, a late '70's Princeton, an Ampeg J12T, and a Mesa Express Plus 5:25...but oh well. Still gonna gimme one of them Bassbreaker 15's. I guess that general amount of wattage just "feels" right to me.
 
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You really need to open up the 18/30 and the 45 to get the "sound" out of them. At those volumes though there aren't many places to use them for me these days lol
 
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You really need to open up the 18/30 and the 45 to get the "sound" out of them. At those volumes though there aren't many places to use them for me these days lol

Same here...but even so, I like the controls and features of the 15 much more than the 18/30 and the 45. The only thing that I would probably never (or maybe very rarely) make use of is the high gain setting on the gain mode switch. Other than that, it's like my main amp for the last 20+ years (an Ampeg J-12T), but with more tweakability and better features (external speaker jack, effects loop, 3-band e.q. instead of 1-band, cleaner gain setting, etc.). Only thing it's missing vs. the Ampeg is the tremolo...but it has an effects loop, so my Duncan Shape Shifter can go in there.
 
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Sweetwer just e-mailed me that they had a demo model of the 15 watt combo for $65 off normal price, so I jumped on it. Just shipped this morning. Didn't get the extension cab yet, but I plan on it.
 
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Got the B.B. 15 combo several days ago, and immediately played it hard for about an hour and a half, using my Fender A.V. '58 Tele only.

Since I got this amp mainly to provide a cleaner sound than some of my other 12–15 watters, most of my initial experimenting was done with the master very high or all the way up, and messing with gain as necessary to get what I was trying to get.

Final verdict: I'm a fan of the amp. It has some things about it that I will need to slightly adapt to, but over all, I think it's a great sounding and versatile little amp that gives me what I was after when I bought it.

It doesn't get as loud as my Ampeg J-12 T. But I can keep it WAY cleaner at roughly equivalent volume levels. Very useful.

The B/M/T tone controls are way more versatile than the J-12T. Takes some getting used to to have to mess with three tone knobs instead of just one, but in the end, it's a very good thing.

It cannot match the rawness and lushness of the J-12T at its tonal best (pretty much nothing does IMO – there is a reason it has been my main amp for 20+ years)...but the J-12T is a far more narrow sounding amp. It's pigeonholed into a certain range of tones (all of which are awesome). The B.B. offers far more tweakability, but without being overly complicated to set up/dial in. And it lets you clean it up a whole lot more, without sacrificing too much grit.

The B.B. 15 has way more bass than I will likely ever use. In the handful of nice tones I dialed in, none of them had the bass knob turned past about 10 o' clock...and that's with '58 reissue single coils. With humbuckers, I imagine I'll be running it even lower.

It also has way more [available] gain than I will ever use. I will almost never (if ever) use the high gain mode, and I will only occasionally use the medium gain mode. The low gain mode is the main reason I got the amp, and it is excellent. Most importantly, the other two gain modes don't get in the way in the slightest, and it's nice to have them there, in the event they are ever needed (I will use them from time to time).

It has plenty of treble available. I actually found myself using the tone knob on my Tele more than normal, even on the neck pickup.

The midrange might work on a kind of weird frequency...or I might just need to get used to it. But it's kind of like the effect of the knob isn't quite dramatic enough for me.

The volume and e.q. of this amp is HIGHLY dependent on where your ears are in relation to the center of the speaker cone. This is the case with all amps, but it seems far more pronounced with this one IME.

With the extension cab, I think this amp will improve (as most single-speaker combos do IMO). I would hope that it will add a little volume boost, and make the tone a bit more lush.

Future mods might just be the aforementioned addition of the B.B. 1x12 extension cab, speaker swaps, and tube swaps (but probably not till needed).

Compared to my Mesa Express Plus 5:25, the B.B. is nowhere near as loud, as versatile, or as full featured. But it is simpler, quicker to dial in, weighs less (or at least seems like it), and has better sounding "pushed cleans" on tap with far less fiddling and set up. In terms of the fundamental controls, it's more similar to the Express than to the J-12T. It's kind of like a diet version of the Express, for venues that don't need as much volume or as much easily switchable tonal versatility within a set.

I'm happy with the amp, and I look forward to adding the extension cab.

One thing I don't understand, however, is why the extension cab, which has the same height and width as the combo, is an inch and a half narrower! You should be able to stack the combo on top of the extension cab. It's really my only complaint...but one that is so baffling that it sort of sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
Re: Fender Bassbreaker

when you say the ampeg is more narrow sounding, you mean frequency wise the fender sounds bigger or there are a wider breadth of available tones?
 
Re: Fender Bassbreaker

Also I see u have a Princeton, I imagine the bassbreaker cleans are a little more full sounding?

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when you say the ampeg is more narrow sounding, you mean frequency wise the fender sounds bigger or there are a wider breadth of available tones?

I meant that the Ampeg has a narrower range, or "palette" of tones that can be dialed in. Within that narrow range, it sounds incredible – better than the Bassbreaker 15 (or anything else I've ever played) to me. But the Bassbreaker 15 can do a lot more, tonally, and sounds really good at most of it. It has a three band e.q. instead of single band (treble). It has much cleaner tones available because it has separate gain and master knobs, as well as three gain modes (not just a volume knob like the Ampeg). The Ampeg sounds "bigger" and more aggressive, with a much gnarlier midrange, but doesn't cover as many bases.

That said, there is a different version of my same Ampeg, called the J-12 (not J-12T). That one sacrifices the two tremolo controls, and has a three band E.Q. instead of single band (still has Reverb).


Also I see u have a Princeton, I imagine the bassbreaker cleans are a little more full sounding?

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It's hard to get anything even resembling a clean from my Princeton and Princeton Reverb, unless playing at low volume. Can't do it at all with a "rock" drummer. Volume considerations aside, the clean tones of my Princeton Reverb seem warmer and looser - less crystalline. Then again, the thing is over 50 years old now, so it could just be an issue of major break-in versus something that is almost factory fresh.

I can't really use the Princetons for anything that I play live. They don't even come close to cutting it in a rock band at real-world volume. I used to use one in that context, but only as an additional amp to the Ampeg, with a jumper cable running from the second input of the Ampeg over to the input of the Princeton (the Ampeg doesn't have an external speaker jack, and I didn't have an extension cab for it). It just gave the Ampeg a little bit extra help, because the Ampeg struggled to keep up with my bandmate's very loud amps.
 
Re: Fender Bassbreaker

Interesting. My brand new custom Princeton has half the negative feedback and it is still pretty sweet clean, up to about half way in the volume at which point it doesn't get much louder but just adds dirt. Yours does sound like it's had time to break in and maybe has a transformer that saturates quicker?
But yeah I feel like mine would be all dirt by the time it was competing with rock drums too. Have not gotten to test that yet. I need to make some drummer friends.


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Re: Fender Bassbreaker

There is a new Bassbreaker coming called the 30r with two channels and a footswitch. I can't find the link atm.
 
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