Fender Classic Series 70s vs. Original 70s strats

Re: Fender Classic Series 70s vs. Original 70s strats

If you want a 70's Strat (and everything that comes along with it) it's better to do the hunt and peck until you find a great vintage one.

Yup, and it's probably more rewarding to do so in the end. Now I know what I'm looking for, I'll just have to have a little patience I guess.
 
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I have a 75 and a 76 that I play on quite a bit. My favorite thing about those guitars are their neck shapes.

My '76 is so heavy (10 pound range) that I actually bought a 70's USA reissue body and switched out the bodies. The neck hardware fit with zero issues. I did stick with the USA reissue bridge though. Much happier with a 7 pound Strat. Lol

My 75 is awesome in many respects. Great weight. Great neck shape. But it has neck pocket issues and that's super frustrating. It has the classic tone. I did upgrade the pups to fender fat 50's though...the stock ones were too bright.
 
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This is my friend's 1977 Stratocaster.

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Neither the bridge nor the pickups is original. The orange colour in the Tobacco Sunburst finish has almost vanished. The neck pocket fit is less than ideal although, it has never shifted detectably. The frets are very flat across their tops. As a teenager, I imagined that they might be medium-jumbo. Now, I realise that the guitar had probably needed a fret dressing pretty much from brand new. The fingerboard varnish is 40% gone, leaving fugly brown patches. The weight is on a par with a Fender MIM Standard example. Despite all of this, the guitar sounds great.

The pickups are Velvet Hammer. I cannot recall whether their magnets are A5, A2 or a combination of both, like the Duncan Five-Two, only with equal length rod magnets.
 
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I can tell you any recent guitar will be a LOT more consistently made than anything from the 70's. (I went thru a 72 Tele Custom phase a few years ago, played every one I could find, and ended up buying a reissue 'cause they were 50% cheaper and ALL of them played better.) Lots of guitars from back then were hit&miss, 50% boat-anchor dogs, 25% "just OK" and the rest being the awesome "vintage" (seems silly calling something from "the dark ages" vintage, but there you go). Prices were all over the map, though-some dogs priced higher than the nice players. The 3-bolt thing was a good idea, but the neck pockets (and everything else, really) were so haphazardly made, that the parts didn't go together right, and gave the 70's stuff the bad reputation they have. Lots of them were fine, though so if you really want something old, by all means go search them out. I went thru a "birth year guitar" thing a while ago, so I had to find a 69-71 Strat, but again I was rejecting more than I liked, while pretty much every re-issue guitar I played seemed fine. And were all cheaper, too. Back then was the "heavier guitars sustain better" era, so they all seemed to be heavier than I like now, too.

I agree and plus if you get an original 70's that has never been re-fretted then you will probably be looking at needing new frets.
 
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Thanks for the comments and pics all!

A refret isn't much of a problem for me (I prefer taller frets instead of the skinny low vintage type anyway) if the guitar itself is solid in construction and tone (and the price is right of course). The strat I played last week sounded and played fantastic, but the gaps between pocket and neck were larger then the one that Funkfingers kindly posted. I let it go as it needed some fret levelling (and maybe even a refret) and I didn't feel like investing in something that I might get bugged with down the road. It wasn't exactly a steal of a deal on top of that (though I didn't see if haggling would bring it down a bit).
 
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Yeah,they used some heavy-ass ash BITD.
I had a body that was routed for a recessed Floyd & HBs,it was still a cinderblock on a strap.

Hope you find one,tho,sometimes the jouney is the reward.

:)
 
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All I care about are stamped saddles, a decent trem block, decent frets, decent electronics.

I don't go for the 70's hype. Over the last decade or so, we have been entering the secondary/tertiary phase of collecting. That is, now that all the highly valued
pieces of vintage gear (50s-60s) have been pored over and sifted through... and now that a few decades have passed since then... it's the "in" thing for people to start focusing on later vintage gear that wasn't quite as popular or known to be junk and focus on the sole fact that it is vintage... therefore raising the perceived value.

Just cuz it's old doesn't necessarily prove it's good.
That's what led me to part with the last of my Norlin era les pauls. The market prices reached a point where you could buy much better new guitars and have cash left over.
 
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Yeah,they used some heavy-ass ash BITD.

During the 1970's, 'Sustain' became the buzzword in the guitar world. In the areas that I found myself musically, it was very uncool to attempt to sound like Jimi Hendrix, but other players would get very excited if someone was sounding like Carlos Santana, who was regarded as the popular 'sustain king'. Just about every guitar manufactured at that time became heavier and heavier, and boasted brass nuts and seriously hefty brass and steel hardware as well as the woodwork.

It was pointed out back then by some that Strats had never been known for their sustain in the first place, but nonethless they mostly became monstrously heavy as the '70s progressed. Take a look at any vintage guitar ad's from the 1970s and you'll notice the big emphasis on weight, brass hardware and other 'sustain-enhancing' features. In the Fender camp, this probably peaked with the introduction of the 'The Strat' model, which came standard with all brass hardware.
 
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Wow Crusty, great points. Now we have an obsession with letting the finish "breathe" and having everything finished in nitro and thin skin, reliced to let more wood breathe. I guess it all goes full circle.
 
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Great info. I guess it's just that certain period where the manufacturer tried to improve and adress perceived problems, though it did change the tone somewhat in the process. Different vibes from different eras for different people.

Kinda funny by the way, how I've read that the 70's strats are regarded as more of funk and reggae instruments by some people, whilst I associate them mostly with rock and heavy metal (Priest, Malmsteen, Rainbow, Motörhead, Scorpions, etc.).
 
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Got me some! Played a couple in a store and went with a '76 transition model. All original apart from the pots, nut and I suspect the 5-way switch wasn't there originally.
Another contender was a '79/'80 that was really lightweight like the Landau strat I played a couple of weeks ago. The '76 though had the sound.
Neck pocket is nice and tight on the higher bout, though the pocket kinda sticks out a bit on the lower one. They all kinda had that though with the exception of a '69 (which was far beyond my budget) and the '79 (which didn't sound as good as the '76 to me).
Anyway, here's some pics:


'76 Strat 1.jpg'76 Strat 2.jpg

I'm off playing :).
 
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Beautiful!
Congratulations!

There is a code stamped on the neck (facing the neck pup route) that will indicate the date manufactured. You'd need to remove the neck to see it, though.

What is the weight like?

Beautiful grain and great looking guitar!
 
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Played a couple in a store and went with a '76 transition model.

The guitar illustrated in post #23 has the "SERIAL NUMBER 76" headstock decal, followed by the unique stamped digits. Examination in the body cavities revealed a later date. (1977.) As teenagers, neither my friend nor I had the wit to note the pot date codes.

All original apart from the pots, nut and I suspect the 5-way switch wasn't there originally.

The later your example is, the more likely that the five-way switch is original. Of course, it would need to be the sprung type not the modern type with the wheel and notches.

It is difficult to tell from your photographs whether the vibrato bridge saddles are the original, solid "Mazak" type or traditional bent steel replacements.

Ultimately, the thing that matters is the sounds that can be produced.
 
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