Fender lt25 ultimate metal tone help

Little Pigbacon said:
What kind of metal tones are we going for here, anyway?
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Little Pigbacon said:
What kind of metal tones are we going for here, anyway?
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Master of puppets specifically but metallica in general. I just can't afford the ones I like yet. I like the katana 100 head and 2 12 cab to match or a $500~ Rolland head and cab I don't know the model tho. I want the katana more tho.
 
Little Pigbacon said:
The thing about that amp is that it has an irresponsible amount of gain available for just about every amp model that Fender included. It is way too easy to make it sound like a slightly different brand of a Metal Zone clone. Whatever amp model you use, try dialing the gain down and the volume up. Keep in mind that you have both a preset volume (knob/menu) and a master volume (knob only). The 8-inch speaker lacks a certain midrange body at low volumes (and probability at very high volumes if you play it at the upper limit of its dynamic capabilities). Play with the EQ (especially the 5-band) and focus on taming the bass and keeping the mids strong, as lower volumes tend to let them collapse into the quagmire of flubby, exaggerated bass.
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Your right about the tones. I play it regularly at low volume but occasionally do about half lol. The bass is prominent throughout all and must be tamed. I'm learning daily how to tweak the settings better. With that said I just switched from hybrid strings to power slinkys and it messed up all my presets and I had to redial them. I like the tension but I may try straight 10s next
 
Not usually no. I play at low volumes 9 times out of 10. I have turned it up to three quarters to max or a little more but there's just to many people in my home and I try not to irritate my girlfriend with the loud noise. I play at a comfortable volume I would say. The amp is quality in my opinion just not enough gain. I use the metal 2000 amp and tweak that or the heavy one and that almost does it but its just not like my older amps I've owned years ago. I barely remember what ther are anymore but I think they were a peavy vypyr 30w and before that my first amp was a line 6 but I don't remember what size or anything like that. The peavy was my favorite but that was years ago and I had taken a break from guitar for about 7 years. My girlfriends son kinda got me back into it all.
 
To be fair tho. My knowledge of guitar has grown more now over the past 6 months then ever before so my great memory of that one amp might not be accurate lol.
 
Little Pigbacon said:
Have you tried running a Tube Screamer into it!?
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No I dont own any pedals yet. I would like to get a boss metal zone or something similar in the $100 range. I'm not sure what I'll do yet. Probably try to sit on what I got once my emg 81 comes in and re assess. I really want a better amp and THEN maybe get some pedals for fun.
 
JohnnyBsurfin said:
Before I returned mine I tried a variety of od/distortion into it. Just never sounded very good.
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Yeah I've tried multiple amp channels with the OD and the compressor or even blues drive. The OD is ok as long as you dont go to crazy with the gain. I prefer to try to just run the single amp model and then eq it. It just sounds less muddy but the gain is only so much still. Dumb mistake for not taking more time to think about what I was doing before purchasing. Really want the boss katana stack or even 50-100 combo. Or do more research for a little bit more expensive one but the katana has really good reviews for metal.


Sorry for any run on sentences lol. Just typing.
 
Little Pigbacon said:
The Boss Metal Zone sounds exactly like about half a dozen of the amp models in the LT25. If you want metal with an EMG 81, try a Wampler Triple Wreck V2 into an amp with two twelves. I use a Randall RG1503-212 as a clean pedal platform with Eminence Texas Heat and Swamp Thang speakers. I also use a stock Fender Champion 100 XL as a clean pedal platform. That Wampler pedal into either of those amps sounds more like Master of Puppets than anything else I've played. If you're going to get a Metal Zone, get the Waza. But if you're going to spend that kind of money, just get the Wampler.
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If you're going to get a Metalzone, get the Keeley.

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Zombie 13X33 said:
To be fair tho. My knowledge of guitar has grown more now over the past 6 months then ever before so my great memory of that one amp might not be accurate lol.
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Ok if it's muddy, are you scooping the mids? I know lots of an people do this to get the high gain compressed metal sound. It's a mistake. Listen to any Slayer like "Show No Mercy" for example. The guitar is clear and present because Jeff and Kerry don't scoop the mids. They let Tom add the low end (bass) which is the right way. You loose a lot of clarity. If you boost your mids you may even end up backing off of the gain. You really don't need that much gain 7 or 8 even. I do 8 and even roll off the volume on my guitar a little. So if I play a lead, I've got some boost by rolling the volume up.

If you scoop your mids too much, your going in the wrong direction. Just my opinion, but countless Metal bands you listen to prove it correct.

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Cynical said:
Fender makes the EVH 5150 IIIs, which have become the industry standard for metal over the last decade or so...
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If you've ever heard a Bugera Trirec, that's one of the best Metal tone amps out there. They rarely if ever come up for sale. It actually sounds better than a Mesa Triple Rectifier. It's brighter. If a Mesa guy says bull****, it's because he knows he paid too much after hearing it.
 
Ok so I got the emg 81 delivered today, installed and tuned a few different custom amp channels. The 81 sounds similar to the tb6 I had but less shrill. That was the biggest and most noticeable difference right off the bat. I also noticed that the note definition is better now. The palm muting is now just about what I hoped for. The 81 must respond better to my amp or visa versa because tuning the tone settings was 10x easier then with the duncan distortion. The duncan got too hallow too fast for my liking. When you turned up the gain it would get muddy quickly.

i got just about what i hoped for out of the 81. I'm also running a new gauge string that i like for now.. there the power slinkys 11-49. I also run hybrids but the power slinkys are a new thing for now.. gonna trow my tb6 into my ibanez and see if they work together any better then the jackson. The jackson just seems brighter imo.

Also my amp settings are as follows

Metal 2000
Gain 8 doesn't need to be. 6 sounded fine but it got a little fatter sounding. Any more and it gets muddy.
Volume 8
Treble 7
Mid 6.5
Bass 4.5 or 5 i can't remember any more is too boomy for palm mutes or power chords,, any less and it sounds hallow or tinny.

I also made a the heavy amp into a channel too with similar settings. After that I copied that one but scooped the mids just for fun and saved that as another channel that ill probably never use. I'm sure it will all be adjusted more as I go. These settings were all made very quickly as it was 1am and I just couldn't wait. Eventually I will get the 81/something combo for my ibanez probably the 85 in the neck just so I have that to try in the bridge as well. If I like the tb6 ill get another duncan something for the neck. Maybe a jb or jazz but I have no clue right now. I'll share pics when I get some time. Thanks to all who shared comments or time testing things or helping.
 
Little Pigbacon said:
I just spent a good three quarters of an hour withy my LT25, and it's not a bad little metal amp. The world's best Ibanez RG270DX with an EMG 81 straight into the Metal 2000 model, cut the bass pretty dramatically, boost the treble and mids, use the noise gate, and it has plenty of gain for Puppets/Justice-era 'tallica. It doesn't have the harmonic complexity that a real connoisseur might want, but it does the job better than any $149.99 amp I've ever heard.

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Nice ibanez..
 
Azzogthoth said:
Ok if it's muddy, are you scooping the mids? I know lots of an people do this to get the high gain compressed metal sound. It's a mistake. Listen to any Slayer like "Show No Mercy" for example. The guitar is clear and present because Jeff and Kerry don't scoop the mids. They let Tom add the low end (bass) which is the right way. You loose a lot of clarity. If you boost your mids you may even end up backing off of the gain. You really don't need that much gain 7 or 8 even. I do 8 and even roll off the volume on my guitar a little. So if I play a lead, I've got some boost by rolling the volume up.

If you scoop your mids too much, your going in the wrong direction. Just my opinion, but countless Metal bands you listen to prove it correct.

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Years ago I used to do that because I was told to lol. this time around i did not scoop but more peak the mids and highs and drop the bass down some.. thanks for sharing!
 
About the metal zone. I don't know much about that stuff. I know how to fix things and replace parts very good tho lol. I just figured it could push my distortion sound a little further then where it had been going previously. The emgs seem to push the amp a touch more then the tb6 and have that note clarity which I believe might help with that added palm mute punch. Again. These are my learning and self observations as I go.
 
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