Fender Mustang Floor Review: Check this out!

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Just replaced my ME-70 with a Fender Mustang Floor. The ME-70 was a good no nonsense floor processor, but the problem was that there was no way to integrate the amp models with my amps, so I would just use it in the loop for its delays and choruses, and not use any of its models.

The Mustang Floor is unique in this price range in that it has a switchable FX loop. While the loop can't be repositioned (it is the first in the chain), because of this, it does not go through an additional round of AD/DA conversion! Basically, the switchable loop is like an analog AB pedal at the input. Put your amp's preamp in the loop and it can easily switch between your amp's preamp and the built in models. Because the pedal has midi out, it can also be used to switch your amp channels, with a device like the Voodoo Labs midi switcher, if your amp is not midi capable.

Another trick is that with an external Y pedal at the input (or a wah or compressor with 2 outputs), you can have the FMF switch between two amp preamps. So run the dry guitar signal to both heads, have one go into the input, and the other go into the return jack, and you can easily switch between two heads. This is an amazing deal for only $200!

The other nice feature is that it has comprehensive global EQ options that apply to only the patches with models. I found that this is useful to tone match the patches to your amps channels so they sound like they are coming from the same place. Used with a JSX/6L6s, I put the global EQ on "Stack+treb" and the models now all sounds like they are matched to the amp channels. There are further fine adjust treb/bass controls.

Now onto the models and FX. This has some of the best low and mid-gain models I have heard. I am not familiar with the individual Fender amps, but the all respond to input dynamics and volume changes like a real amp. Played lightly they can be clean, and dig in for for grind. The models are also sensitive to pickup types and does not homogenize pickups.

There are not many high gain models, but the ones it has a quality. I tried to cop the tone of my JSX's Ultra channel with the "Metal 2000" model and got very close. The Metal 2000 does not have the Peavey mid honk, the bass is broader and flatter like a Dual Rec, but the model has similar dynamic response and played through the same half stack, miced with a 57, the model sounds like a credible representation of a Dual Rec, responding to volume/pickup changes authentically. The EQ of the model is dynamic enough to match the active EQ on the JSX - so I was able to Ab the model against the JSX and it sounds like I'm switching between two channels on the same amp, not two separate amps.

The amp models are sophisticated and have controls for "SAG" and "bias" that can simulate various degress of tube saturation and power amp characteristics. I found that when played through a tube amp, put the bias to cold and it takes the mud out of the high-gain models. Also, each patch has a dedicated Noise Suppressor and cab model. The cab models obviously need to be turned off when playing through a live rig. It would be nice if there was a global setting that allowed one to do this. There is no global or dedicated noise suppressor, but earlier versions of the firmware apply the patches noise suppressor to the chain even when the model is disabled, so it helps clean up when a high gain external pre or pedal is used.

Basically, this is a no-brainer for someone who wants to add a pallette of Fender tones to their high-gain rig with seamless switching. The board does not look like a multi-FX unit instead looks like a no-nonsense switcher. It is not packed with any "toys". All the FX are bread and butter. There is no looper or whammy effects.

I haven't played with the computer software or programming the FX yet. Will probably add to the review when I get a chance. I wanted to get the word out on this fine piece of gear. Its not clear that Fender plans to continue making these in the congested multi-FX market. But this is a rare board that does not look like a spaceship and does all the things a working musician will need.
 
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Re: Fender Mustang Floor Review: Check this out!

Excellent! I liked the Mustang stuff when I played it, but never got a chance to play on the floor one. I ended up with the Pod HD when it was on huge sale...
 
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My JSX has a microphinic tube and I'm playing the Metal 2000 sim though its power section... and I'm thinking that modelling has finally arrived. I'm like "meh, I don't really need to fix the tube now that I've got this.." Its that good. Not quite the separation or bounce, but can't tell its a sim.

I still haven't used any of the cab sims but this is great for a live rig.
 
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I don't have a tube amp, and suspect I won't until I get a little time and space to myself, away from my two little kids. For me, modeling is really the best way to experiment with sounds until it's time to set yourself up for gigging. There's been a lot of evolution in the technology since the first Line 6 sim pedal (which I have), and there's so much ability to use the devices like modular blocks in the guitar rig. You can plug in, run through amps and effects and out to a PA, or you do what you do which is use it as a preamp into a power amp...you can even just use them for single effects and take out all the other stuff. I want to use the Pod HD as a delay effect when I get the amps and other effects I want.

Running through a tube power section is super awesome. I think that's the best thing you can do with them.
 
Re: Fender Mustang Floor Review: Check this out!

My MIII (vI) just makes me smile. It has greater testicular fortitude than any other modeler in that price range, easily.


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Thanks for the review. Fender really came out of left field with the Mustang modeling stuff. I think the amps sound better than all of the other ss digital amps like the Line 6 spiders or the Peavey vypyrs, even the cubes.


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I have been using this for a little over a month so thought I would provide a follow up review. This may have been discontinued because some of the larger resellers no longer list it on their site.


THE GOOD:

First, let me say that the design of the unit, the layout, the patching, etc is very good. The effects are high quality digital as expected.

Everyone knows the clean, low, and mid-gain tones are great, but also, the high gain tones are excellent. The thing that stands out about these models is that they react to overdrive pedals like an amp. The high gain models tend to have a bassy vibe, which can be dialed out with their eq, but to find real versatility in these models, you need to use either an external boost (SD-1) or use the internal boost. The internal boost has a 3-band EQ before the preamps, so this is where most of the versatility comes from.

The general philosophy of the models is to give less (apparent) range of adjustment on each control (they have a "passive" vibe), but give you less rope to hang yourself with. That said, using extreme setting on the OD-eq and post-EQ is where the tonal shaping magic occurs. For instance, to get a Peavey high gain style "ultra" sound, you crank the treble on the OD-eq, and lower the mid and bass to 1. That would normally sound like crap with a normal OD, but exploring the extremes of the settings is where the versatility comes through.

Because the pre amp models respond to changes in input dynamics, they also faitfully respond to volume/tone changes.

The preamps have several controls that saturate the signal in different ways. This is one of the strengths of the FMF, but also can lead to too much saturation. There are the SAG, bias, and master volume controls, each which adds a certain flavor of satuation. (The pre amps volume is a clean gain). The SAG changes the output volume and heft of the signal. It seems to be more dynamic with less SAG, more compression with higher settings. The sag is different for each model and its three positions can be seen more like "voicing" switches. The bias adds saturation in a more "parametric" sort of way, in that it seems to alter the mid character of the tone. Lower settings tend to be more articulate and colder, (most high gain models sound better with less saturation, IMO) but you want to sweep through the range to find the right character. The master volume adds "power tube" saturation.

The high gain patches can sound too thick, so I generally run them "colder". Each of the types of saturation stacked can be too much, imo.

Most of my playing has been with the models direct to the power section of a tube amp, and the models themselves are very good when unit is used as a pre amp without cab sim.

The cabinet sims are also very good, but each one adds its own "strong" EQ. On the plus side, the subtle saturation added to single notes on the high strings are indistinguisable from a miked speaker w/ 57. There is no harshness or buziness, I think it really does sound like a miked speaker (and this compared to my studio setup where I am micing up real speakers). The thing is that each cabinet has its "sound" which you have to accept and then tailor the EQ of the patch around to match your desire. Its not as flexible as some of the computer based modelers that let you chose mic type, distance, etc, etc (like Guitar Rig which I also have), but again, less rope to hang yourself with. There are about ten cab models and I think you will gravite to one or two of them. I have found that the smaller cabs are better for lead, I prefer the "65 Dlx" for most things.

THE BAD:
The #1 problem with the unit is that its easy to clip the input of the models and get strange aliasing when used in an FX loop. This ends up contributing to worse s/n performance.

The input accepts -10/guitar level input. On my peavey amp, I have to put the send on lowest setting, and return on highest. This works, BUT the FMF output stage adds hiss to the signal. So to get unity gain, you have to run the FMF output on half and this adds some hiss. The alternative is to run the FMF output lower, but then you have to raise the gain of your power section and that adds noise. The output stage seems to be good old fashined analog. You cant do anything about it because if you add noise reduction afterwards it will chop your delays and reverbs. I suppose you CAN do this (I didnt try); the hiss is not that bad, but purists WILL notice it. It would have been much better if the output gain was controlled digitally, or if the input gain could be run at typical FX loop levels. The FMF is generally noisier than the high priced FX units these days. :sad:

The other bad thing is lack of an independent Noise gate. They are only operational when using an internal model.

OVERALL:

I would say the strongest use of the FMF is as a complete modeller and effects unit straight to a power amp/PA. Its also a good recording device.

Used in the FX loop for its effects, it can be tricky to get the levels right, and it will add noise to the signal chain.

Overall I am really impressed with the tones I have gotten from the high gain sims and the cab sims, but its noisy output stage makes me realize this is a $200 pedal, not a $1000 one.

My 2.00 worth.
 
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