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Kahler's have a horrible, horrible tone. Or, change the tone horribly. Also, Kahler trems are less stable than Floyds. Real, proper Floyd units that is. Too much friction.

I have been installing Kahlers and Floyds for my clients since the 80's and you are as full of crap as you can be!!!!!!

Both systems are large chunks of metal on a wooden guitar. Yes they change the tone from a non-vibrato guitar. But neither tone is horrible. Kahlers are actually MORE stable than Floyds. They have ball bearings for LESS friction, not fulcrums on pivot points.

I say AGAIN, you are FULL OF CRAP!
 
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Only asking as I heard Floyds were a nightmare to tune...which is why I passed on them in the 80’s.

A floyd isn't really all that hard to change strings on. It takes me about 5 minutes to swap strings on a hard tail and tune up, and maybe 7 minutes to do the same with a Floyd.

You just block it, take all the strings off, put new strings back on, tighten the claw, tune to pitch. Remove the block, loosen the claw until the bridge is level with the body - you're like 95% there. Some minor fiddling with the tuners, then lock the nut.
 
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A floyd isn't really all that hard to change strings on. It takes me about 5 minutes to swap strings on a hard tail and tune up, and maybe 7 minutes to do the same with a Floyd.

You just block it, take all the strings off, put new strings back on, tighten the claw, tune to pitch. Remove the block, loosen the claw until the bridge is level with the body - you're like 95% there. Some minor fiddling with the tuners, then lock the nut.

That is good to know. Changing strings on my Kahlers has never taken more time than my non-trem guitars. If anything it has been the extra minute locking the nut after stretching the strings and tuning up.
 
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I remember the original HM's came with the Kahler-licensed Spyder tremolo, which was essential a Floyd Rose -like design. Not much of a difference between the two that I remember. All I do remember is when I played it, I much preferred the feel of a German-made Floyd Rose over the Kahler Spyder. Now, the Kahler top-mount tremolos, those were a thing of beauty. Very smooth and stable, IMO.

The only thing that bothers me with the hot-rodded Strats, be it the HM's or a Charvel are the necks. Too thin for me. I'd much rather go after a beak-neck Kramer from back in the day. Those necks had some meat on them. My Focus 2000 was like that. Great necks on those.
 
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I feel like you can only reach the 24th fret by contorting your hand around a lower bout cutaway that hasn't been made deep enough. Also, given that fender owns Charvel and Jackson . . . not entirely sure why they're making these models.
Nope and nope (and nope about the 24 frets). The upper position access is sufficient. You can still do more piddly widdly than is ever needed without breaking a sweat and enuffznuff. Sure, it does not have the RG's deepest cutaways but on the upside it lacks their tonesuck, too. The recent 3 bolt Dinkies give me a rash and nausea, too by the way. The (original) HM Strat is neither a Dinky nor a Fusion nor a Stratocaster nor any kind of Charvel, really. The neck and body are Fender's original shapes and have a tone and feel of their own. It was Fender's _answer_ to the superstrats of the day and not a clone.

By example, the marketing department can call a 24 fret guitar a Les Paul but no matter what they can't give it the sound and feel of an actual Les Paul. Same here, the original HM Strat is a 24 fret Fender with all its quirks and features and if you stray too far off the original design, you lose what sets it apart.

Built in the same factory as the original
Does that mean Fujigen is involved or that this line is a marketing stunt. If anything, I would bet on the second.

The RI looks cool at first glance but it lacks the (early) original's Spyder trem in favor of the cheap and available FR. It does not mean it's worse or inherently bad for that matter, but it does mean it will deliver more flutter at the expense of the Spyder's buttersmooth vibrato action. Which is fine by one account but it does not make the RI's character stand out as much as the old one's. Kind of proving Steve's point of why release something that's not all that different from the "competition".

I probably would have done the same (opt for an FR trem) if I were in Fender's shoes so there's that.
I just don't get the neck being described as "narrow" when my old one is the opposite at nearly 45mm at the nut. The shape is a kind of a flat-centered wide D with full shoulders and a 17" camber, calling this a Charvel would be an exercise in pointlessness. Maybe the RI is different and maybe that description is just fluff.

My main point though, The HM is not a hot rodded Strat, despite its confusing name. It shouldn't be too difficult to make and it seems they've made the right choices designing the RI: They kept what ain't broke and opted for the cheaper and more serviceable bridge. As long as they are built by competent people, there is no reason for the reissue not to kick ass.
 
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My thought is that other companies do the super strat thing much better than Fender.
 
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Kind of like PRS does Gibson better than Gibson?

Well, the super strat was modernized and perfected by Ibanez, ESP and even Jackson. I am all for Fender trying new things, but just mining their past and putting weird features together really isn't innovation.
 
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I have been installing Kahlers and Floyds for my clients since the 80's and you are as full of crap as you can be!!!!!!

Both systems are large chunks of metal on a wooden guitar. Yes they change the tone from a non-vibrato guitar. But neither tone is horrible. Kahlers are actually MORE stable than Floyds. They have ball bearings for LESS friction, not fulcrums on pivot points.

I say AGAIN, you are FULL OF CRAP!

Wow, that's an intense reaction. To counter:

I have installed a few kahlers: the guitars originally had a tune o matic hardtail and with the kahler installed, even completely blocked, the midrange changed completely. From an open voice to a nasal voice: with all other things remaining the same. I and the customer who requested the kahler, had a lot of issues keeping the kahler in tune after a heavy dive bomb. The strings would hang in the roller saddles. Then, the customer all came back to have the guitar retrofitted with a Floyd. Result? The guitar stayed in tune better and sounded better again as well.

I'm sorry, but this is what I experienced. Not once, not twice but 5 times with a direct installation/retrofit, as well as with a dozen or so factory-installed Kahlers.

So, yeah. no. I'm not full of crap. I am talking from my experience. Don't we all do that, to a certain degree? Have an experience, try to see if that experience persists and comment on a question someone posts, based on your own experiences? If you have had great results and you didn't notice any change in tone (or didn't feel the change was a negative one): more power to you, man. Really. But to me, a Kahler is an expensive piece of metal that works really badly. However, I would recommend the hardtail kahler, to be honest. That bridge is amazing and works and sounds great. Would never recommend the vibrato, though.
 
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I had a Kahler on my Yamaha and I had no tuning or tone problems with it. It was my favorite. Easy to change strings and easy to tune and microtune.

I don’t have a lot of experience however. I only had one Floyd guitar and it went out of tune with one dive while everything was tightened and broke strings frequently and was a pain to change strings and tune.

Mine were all floating and eventually after years I got tired of all the tuning and retuning required to balance the trem every time I changed strings.
 
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Well, the super strat was modernized and perfected by Ibanez, ESP and even Jackson. I am all for Fender trying new things, but just mining their past and putting weird features together really isn't innovation.

The HM Strat is a true Fender and a true superstrat. Lean and quirky.

In the grand scheme of things, Ibanez's and ESP's innovations look kinda pale compared to Fender's...
Ibanez at least has the double sided body carve on the Saber (I think they were first, please correct if I'm wrong) and it's accompanying lo pro edge. But ESP, I dunno... They never reinvented the wheel, just made theirs more round, if that makes sense.
 
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https://www.gearnews.com/namm-2020-leak-fender-limited-edition-hm-strat-2020/



Made in Mexico im guessing, Another $1200 Mexi strat ?

Would be nice to see something innovative come from Fender Mexico instead of re-runs.

That guitar is an absolute JOKE. I was working for a Fender dealer when the original HM came out and that POS is NOT a HM Strat!!
That piece of JUNK is an insult to the real HM!!
Real HM Kahler Killer trem Dimarzio Super 3 bridge don't remember what they used in the neck or for the singles but were real Dimarzios. The Real HM was USA built had Jumbo Frets and a very flat board. They were some of the very best guitars Fender built in that era these are a cheap POS imposter in comparison.
Like the real HM Strats a lot and if Fender was going to bring it back they sould have done them right. That guitar needs to be much cheaper and have Squire on the headstock it's a JOKE!
 
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After all I spent restoring my '81 Lead II, I think I might just add one of these new Lead III's to the herd. I like the sculpting as that's one of the things my Bullet S-3 and Lead II always lacked over my Strats.

I'm not thinking I'd drop $1200 on a reissue HM.
 
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OK, so the Lead III is on order. Now I'm waffling on the HM Strat.

Talk me down.
 
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I also see the Lead III being my test bed for the Screaming Demon/Full Shred(n) if I am the least bit disappointed with stock Fenders.
 
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The Lead III looks like a fun guitar. Let us know how you like it when it arrives. Do you have a date for that yet?
 
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I should have an estimated arrival date by tomorrow or Tuesday. I will definitely update.

Agreed that it should be fun to play. Hopefully some very cool tones as well!
 
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The Lead III looks like a fun guitar. Let us know how you like it when it arrives. Do you have a date for that yet?

I should have noted I opted for the Sienna Sunburst, even though the Purple is much more 80's. Most likely a subconscious aversion to many of the original 80's solid colors not aging well. Plus I think it will pair better with my rescued Trans Red Lead II.

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The Lead III's are supposed to start shipping near the end of February, however I always temper that with the "NAMM Time Dilation" new products can experience. :laugh2:

Fender is also reissuing Lead II's. But I figure another 30 years and I will just naturally wear the armrest cut in mine.
 
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