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SirJackdeFuzz II

SirJackdeFuzz II

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Quick teenage-like question.

I can get a 1st gen Hot Rod Deluxe (40W), a 1975 (silver face) Twin Reverb & 1991/2 redknob (60W) Super 210, for the same price.

I am thinking mostly good quality (no ice pick) clean tones.

Which amp would be the best for that ?
Guitars will have all sorts of pick ups : various humbuckers, Tele, Strat, and various P90's & 'bucker sized P90's.


Thanks to all.
 
The 1975 SF Twin is the best quality of those by a wide margin. If you can handle the weight of the amp (literally) then go for that one. It's a hand wired vintage amp.

The Hot Rod series of amps were plagued with reliability issues which they didn't resolve until the 3rd generation of them. They're a perfectly fine mid-level affordable amp when you want to step up to a gig level solution. One that old is going to require service though (and they're not fun to service and the techs I've talked to hate them).

The Super 210 is a solid state amp and if someone is charging as much as a Twin or HRD then that's total rip off.
 
That shouldn’t even be a question, take the Twin!!!

Definitely the best amplifier of the bunch, not that the others are awful or anything...

They would all give you nice Fender-iey cleans, take pedals well, Etc., so it really comes down to build quality & at least for me how easy they are to work on if problems should arise...

Having all your components on a actual board vs PCB is a big plus IMHO....
 
P.S. The transformers in the Super 60’s were super prone to failure as I recall. I think tube sockets melting down was also a issue with some too???

Anyway, my point was with proper maintenance, which is made easier by the circuit board layout & classic Fender filter can, that Twin could easily outlive us all....
 
The Twin will certainly sound the best, but lugging that around isn't fun at all. That would be a big concern for me, anyway.
 
Powdered Toast Man said:
The 1975 SF Twin is the best quality of those by a wide margin. If you can handle the weight of the amp (literally) then go for that one. It's a hand wired vintage amp.

The Hot Rod series of amps were plagued with reliability issues which they didn't resolve until the 3rd generation of them. They're a perfectly fine mid-level affordable amp when you want to step up to a gig level solution. One that old is going to require service though (and they're not fun to service and the techs I've talked to hate them).

The Super 210 is a solid state amp and if someone is charging as much as a Twin or HRD then that's total rip off.
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W O W . . . that i did not know.

The Super 210 is being advertised as an all valve amp.
I shall look more into that !

Thank you very much !
 
Powdered Toast Man said:
The 1975 SF Twin is the best quality of those by a wide margin. If you can handle the weight of the amp (literally) then go for that one. It's a hand wired vintage amp.

The Hot Rod series of amps were plagued with reliability issues which they didn't resolve until the 3rd generation of them. They're a perfectly fine mid-level affordable amp when you want to step up to a gig level solution. One that old is going to require service though (and they're not fun to service and the techs I've talked to hate them).

The Super 210 is a solid state amp and if someone is charging as much as a Twin or HRD then that's total rip off.
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Reverb too says it is an all valve amp.

https://reverb.com/item/32905511-fen...ombo-1990-1992
 
Nostalgic Distortion said:
P.S. The transformers in the Super 60’s were super prone to failure as I recall. I think tube sockets melting down was also a issue with some too???

Anyway, my point was with proper maintenance, which is made easier by the circuit board layout & classic Fender filter can, that Twin could easily outlive us all....
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;)

Looks like is will be chatting to the seller of the Twin Reverb then.
 
My local jr. high school had two "Hot Rod Deluxe" amplifiers;

to my ears-

VERY "ice picky" bright, a brightness that could not be dialed out no matter what EQ settings. And a "high gain" channel that sounded... well.. :/ not good to my ears.

I'd go for one of the two others. :).

-Erl
 
does the twin have the boost and master volume? its still probably the best amp of the three even if it does but its heavy, and kinda obnoxiously so. i had a twin for a while and it became a drag hauling it if you move it a lot like i did. the twins of the later sf years dont sound like the older sf ones or the bf ones. they can still be good amps though.
 
I'd take the Twin. I just finished completely overhauling my Blues Deluxe Reissue (similar to Hot Rods in circuit topology), new filter caps, new resistors, new speaker, re-wiring the main PCB to allow the Master Volume to control the clean and dirty channels. Removed all of the crappy ribbon cables connecting the PCB's. About $250.00 of components, and 8 hours labor to get a mediocre sounding amp to actually sound good. I'll be tracking it in the studio this fall (hopefully), that will be the litmus test.
 
so the clean channel has the volume control and the dirty channel just has a gain control and the master controls both?
 
In a sense, yes, it was a nightmare trying to level out the volumes on two different channels, now I can also max out the clean channel volume, and get some overdrive on that channel when I raise the master volume.
 
jeremy said:
does the twin have the boost and master volume? its still probably the best amp of the three even if it does but its heavy, and kinda obnoxiously so. i had a twin for a while and it became a drag hauling it if you move it a lot like i did. the twins of the later sf years dont sound like the older sf ones or the bf ones. they can still be good amps though.
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I believe a Twin Reverb (70's model at least) is +/- 32 kg.
Compared to a 47kg, 2X12, Mesa Raod King combo, it is probably not all that heavy.

I believe this specific silver face model had the Black Face mod done to it, that (according to the seller) is ''reversible'' back to the original sliver face, if need be.

And yes, it does have the Master Volume knob on the far right, as well as a Mid's knob on the one channel. (unlike my '66 Bassman - with no mids knob)
 
the mids knob is normal on the twin reverbs, bf or sf. you can bf any sf twin, the iron and speakers arent the same though, some just take more work than others. the hand wired nature of the amps make them very tweakable. and yeah, if youre used to a mesa roadking 2x12 combo, nothing is gonna be much heavier than that tank
 
I have a 72 Silverface Quad and there is NOTHING ice picky about it. If I wanted to I guess I could dial it in that way but I have always had a dark heavy tone. The Twin will do what everything you ask and you can push it until ears bleed. Plus the reverb is legendary....so.
 
Twin with a MT-2 in front pushing an additional 4x12 closed cab with Texas Heat/Swamp Thangs in an x pattern...
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