Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

[texred]

I guess virtually all slide players use strats. When I mentioned using LP P90s, long time player said I was nuts. I forget who, somebody bigtime, does it. And I've seen it since.
Also, I saw a vid with Guthrie Govan, and he said when he feels like playing slide he "doesn't want to mess with all that crap", so he slides a credit card under strings up against nut.
If it's good enough for him . . .
:newbie:

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

Not sure if there's a question in there, but slide can be done with any guitar. I've used an Epiphone Casino with P90's to great effect. George Thorogood used a Gibson hollow body with P90's that had all kinds of bite. The right amp and settings and any guitar will do fine for various kinds of slide work.

I tend to used Gibsons for tone reasons. Vintage Fenders have a better scale and string separation for playability, however.

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

Not sure if there's a question in there, but slide can be done with any guitar. I've used an Epiphone Casino with P90's to great effect. George Thorogood used a Gibson hollow body with P90's that had all kinds of bite. The right amp and settings and any guitar will do fine for various kinds of slide work.

I tend to used Gibsons for tone reasons. Vintage Fenders have a better scale and string separation for playability, however.

Thank you. Yesterday I was told to find another topic (no more pups RWRP). I didn't realize he was talking to ME. So this is the best I could come up with, with 2 cups of coffee. Can you snesk in an answer me what is rwrp? Or should I forget about it?

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

Well, I have a Chinese Squier Strat I'm just about willing to sacrifice to slide setup . . .
I cannot, and will not, ever be able to afford a Gibson !!

 

[beaubrummels]

Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

RWRP is Reverse-Wound, Reverse Polarity.

When single coil pickups are combined and one is RWRP they will be hum-canceling and quiet. My Epiphone Casino is like this. However, if you reduce the volume of one of the pickups so they are not mixed 50/50, then hum/noise will come back into the sound.

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

Not sure if there's a question in there, but slide can be done with any guitar. I've used an Epiphone Casino with P90's to great effect. George Thorogood used a Gibson hollow body with P90's that had all kinds of bite. The right amp and settings and any guitar will do fine for various kinds of slide work.

I tend to used Gibsons for tone reasons. Vintage Fenders have a better scale and string separation for playability, however.

OK, I must be having a bad morning. Re:jokes. Usually I'M the one who always gets in trouble joking till somebody gets to know me. Sorry I didn't catch it. Laughing and being silly are precious things we don't live with enough. I happen to have a black, scatalogical sense of humor, and will laugh at anything except stupid people. Just can't. It's too serious.

There's no question in thread, just opinions/feelings, and "Are you fkn nuts???" BTW, I'm reading your posts on pots and went cross-eyed. Failed physics 3 times. In my defense, it was calculus based Physics, and I hadn't had calculus yet.

Re: SD. How serious are we about going off topic (my middle name) on topic?? I just got here, and can't get the feel. Should I decide to play electrical shop guitar, I'll be calling you, even if you did call me a meth head :doh:

I already apologized for buttin into tha guy's wiring emergency. They were so nice to me I didn't understand they meant "Go away". Will next time. And let somebody thrash my first emergency.

If the creek don't rise, the big brown truck will soon come, bearing the last of the end run of Agile AL-2000s; Tribal Red. A good friend from forums sold it to me. Will be pd for Wednesday !!! I can't find anything on those; run date, any info on Tribal Reds (apparently different colors are slightly different guitars-all anybody talks about is root beer burst. Even Rondo.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

duane, warren and derek seem to do fine on gibsons. i play slide on whatever guitar i happen to be playing that gig. all my guitars are setup with 11's and medium high action so any guitar can be a slide guitar

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

duane, warren and derek seem to do fine on gibsons. i play slide on whatever guitar i happen to be playing that gig. all my guitars are setup with 11's and medium high action so any guitar can be a slide guitar

Tell me how to work this. I just typed a fkn long ass thread, and I do it over again, then 2 show up. When you find the first one it was better. Main question: noob, Squier strate, 2016 Epi LP Special I P90s, in 2 weeks a very special Agile AL-2000. Want to start slide, and have bendable strings for untrained fingers. Asking for string advice, will decide to do my setups or send out. Thanks Jeremy

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

Thank you. Yesterday I was told to find another topic (no more pups RWRP). I didn't realize he was talking to ME. So this is the best I could come up with, with 2 cups of coffee. Can you snesk in an answer me what is rwrp? Or should I forget about it?

He didn’t mean drop the question, he meant start a new thread with whatever questions you have. Everyone is more than willing to answer most any questions, so if you are wondering why someone would use parallel wiring on a bridge pickup or when you’d want to use RWRP, make a post with your questions you can’t find your own answers to.


Regarding slide, I seem to see more Gibson style guitars than Fender. Personally, I love the tone of P90s for slide.

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

He didn’t mean drop the question, he meant start a new thread with whatever questions you have. Everyone is more than willing to answer most any questions, so if you are wondering why someone would use parallel wiring on a bridge pickup or when you’d want to use RWRP, make a post with your questions you can’t find your own answers to.


Regarding slide, I seem to see more Gibson style guitars than Fender. Personally, I love the tone of P90s for slide.

Thanks for explaining that to me. I was scratching me head. Me? I'm supposed to start a thread? But I'm here? Lack of confidence and experience. Oh, and getting beat over the head (even banned !) for starting too many threads. Didn't want to burn my hand touching the stove again.

Oh my god i'm starting to type like Maniac Black-get back Black, get back-

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

duane, warren and derek seem to do fine on gibsons. i play slide on whatever guitar i happen to be playing that gig. all my guitars are setup with 11's and medium high action so any guitar can be a slide guitar

So what do you think of Govan's idea? Or did I erase it again. My question, I'm gonna try doing this one at a time-the QOD is for noob, untrained fingers, What size strings would you suggest for overall purposes (incl slide and bending)? I have a squier strt, Epi LP P90s, and if the creek don't rise, a very special Agile AL-2000 In a couple weeks. I will decided who does setup next. Right now can only afford guitar (HA!) strings and lemon oil this month. I'm thinking 10-46 after my own research. But I am in BFE and order everything on line, so no "checking it out".

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

RWRP is Reverse-Wound, Reverse Polarity.

When single coil pickups are combined and one is RWRP they will be hum-canceling and quiet. My Epiphone Casino is like this. However, if you reduce the volume of one of the pickups so they are not mixed 50/50, then hum/noise will come back into the sound.

OK, another day to assimilate. I was about to say I got it, but. . . I understand about the magnets. So RWRP is for when you split the coils w/switch, you don't get crappy sound? Is that basiclly it? You mean i have to do this???

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

OK, another day to assimilate. I was about to say I got it, but. . . I understand about the magnets. So RWRP is for when you split the coils w/switch, you don't get crappy sound? Is that basiclly it? You mean i have to do this???

No. RWRP is about hum rejection, not the thin tone you get from splitting coils. It's the principle which makes humbuckers quieter than singlecoils. When using two coils together, if one is RWRP they act like the coils in a humbucker to reduce noise interference, even if they are separate pickups.

On topic: I prefer Gibsons for slide, they tend to be smoother & fatter. But an awful lot of great slide work has been done on Fenders. And it's true that longer scale and wider string separation could be more convenient for slide.

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

No. RWRP is about hum rejection, not the thin tone you get from splitting coils. It's the principle which makes humbuckers quieter than singlecoils. When using two coils together, if one is RWRP they act like the coils in a humbucker to reduce noise interference, even if they are separate pickups.

On topic: I prefer Gibsons for slide, they tend to be smoother & fatter. But an awful lot of great slide work has been done on Fenders. And it's true that longer scale and wider string separation could be more convenient for slide.

You get best answer award. I thought I had it down, hence Ooooh in my thread. A lightbulb moment. I understand about magnets, but I thought you made a humbucker RWRP, so when you split it w/switch the chosen one doesn't sound like crap coz of repelling against other single. I'm stll messed up, huh?

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

You get best answer award. I thought I had it down, hence Ooooh in my thread. A lightbulb moment. I understand about magnets, but I thought you made a humbucker RWRP, so when you split it w/switch the chosen one doesn't sound like crap coz of repelling against other single. I'm stll messed up, huh?

Don't bother responding. You already answered and I'm out of coffee. Cereal, don't answer. Just have to wrap my noob head around that.
Thanks !

Oh gee. That was supposed to go to someone besides me. {heavy sigh}

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

duane, warren and derek seem to do fine on gibsons. i play slide on whatever guitar i happen to be playing that gig. all my guitars are setup with 11's and medium high action so any guitar can be a slide guitar

More string questions: I have had first guitar for a year, spent all that time learning every part and what it's for. Then theory. Then practicing notes on guitar, now I'm working on scales and chords. That is to establish how new I am. Since got a 2016 Epi LP Special I P90s. (First was a squier). I play hahaha I mean practice, on the LP. I love it. Strings: again a know nothing. I DID google, however, less than helpful. Oh-Praying for NGD. Getting a Tribal Red Agile AL-2000 that was the end of the last run of the 2000s. So, for my untrained fingers that want to do everything, should I get, say 10-46 to bend and slide? After practice, of course. Being self taught, with help from op like yourself. Will decide on setups in a bit. Crappy shop in town, or myself. I guess crappy shop probably gets second chance. First time they charged me $10 for strings and setup. Hmmm.I'll make sure they write down what I want next time. If they fk this up, it's back to learning curve. D'Addario 10-46s, or diff strings for different guitars: squier, Epi, Agile. And I don't understand the phrase "longer scale and wider string separation". Either of those. Thanks for your help.

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

I think you need way more help than you will ever get here LOL. Thing is, I am kind of a newb too. I like learning on lighter strings, especially on bends. If it begins to hurt, STOP. Work your way into it and bend to pitch, dont just bend. You may just be playing with the members here, not really sure. I say start with 9s and NO PAIN. Try the slide on your highest action guitar. Get a steel slide so when your clumsy hands drop it, it wont break. Plenty of youtube vids for free out there. Longer scale means longer than a LP type which is 24.75". Fenders are 25.5" and the new metal guitars have 17 strings and even longer scale length. That means on a longer string it will be in more tension. It also changes the pickup placement so will sound different as the strings vibrate at a wider arc near the middle of the string vs towards the back(bridge). So usually a bridge PUP will have greater output to compensate, it wasnt that way in the beginning however

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

I think you need way more help than you will ever get here LOL. Thing is, I am kind of a newb too. I like learning on lighter strings, especially on bends. If it begins to hurt, STOP. Work your way into it and bend to pitch, dont just bend. You may just be playing with the members here, not really sure. I say start with 9s and NO PAIN. Try the slide on your highest action guitar. Get a steel slide so when your clumsy hands drop it, it wont break. Plenty of youtube vids for free out there. Longer scale means longer than a LP type which is 24.75". Fenders are 25.5" and the new metal guitars have 17 strings and even longer scale length. That means on a longer string it will be in more tension. It also changes the pickup placement so will sound different as the strings vibrate at a wider arc near the middle of the string vs towards the back(bridge). So usually a bridge PUP will have greater output to compensate, it wasnt that way in the beginning however

Yessss. I know I need a LOT of help, but you gotta start somewhere, right?!? I am doing things in logical order to me, which is apparently counterintuitive to guitar !!! I am practicing the correct way, I'm pretty sure. But when something I like comes on YT while I'm driving to somewhere else, well, I have to try it (bending, 2 string bending forget what you call it, strumming, slide) so I go OT temporarily (gonna change my name). Sorry, always wanna know stuff-it's the scientist in me. I don't play games. Sometimes I look brilliant, sometimes I make an ass of myself. SO, my questions are true, unless OBVIOUSLY goofy, coz I consider Silly a number one good character trait. OK? Not goofing-just being introduced to something completely foreign. SO: I still don't get it but that was a good answer. String scale length: WTF? to make a longer string I have to move a pickup or two? I think I get weight part (A video I understood), so if I say a 9-46, that is the range of the weight of the six strings? Somebody, save me !! (Bruuuce).

 

[texred]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

RWRP is Reverse-Wound, Reverse Polarity.

When single coil pickups are combined and one is RWRP they will be hum-canceling and quiet. My Epiphone Casino is like this. However, if you reduce the volume of one of the pickups so they are not mixed 50/50, then hum/noise will come back into the sound.

Thank you !! How MUCH noise??? Don't think I'm at the comfort stage of wiring/soldering. At least the old man taught me how to solder when I was a kid.

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Fenders vs Les Pauls for Slide

No Fenders are measured 25.5 inches from nut to bridge. Gibson, 24.75. You dont have to move pickups, its just the way they were designed. Some guys like the longer scale, some not. One more tip, once a day fret a few notes right behind the fret. Then ease of the pressure till its muffled, then press down gently till it rings again. See how little pressure is actually needed? Dont choke the guitar and hurt your hands and it makes the notes sound sharp as well. You want speed, golf swing or guitar, relax and dont SQUEEZE. Tension will rob you and hurt you. Speed will come in time, accuracy doesnt. You must shoot for accuracy, like a millimeter and have fun!!