finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

[LtKojak]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Gibson Limited Edition Joe Bonamassa Les Paul - $10,000 on sale for $6,000.

http://www.gibson.com/Products/Elec...oe-Bonamassa-Tomato-Soup-Burst-Signature.aspx

As you can see, the ASKING PRICE is $5,999.00. You could probably have it for about 30% less if you shop in the "right places".

However, as you've compared a limited-edition, collector-oriented, custom-shop signature instrument to a budget studio, b*tchin'-n-moanin' about the price, not to mention the "non-matching knobs", what I see is simply a bad case of "sour grapes" syndrome.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

does anyone know what the Seymour Duncan 52-Nc and 53-Nc pickups are?

I don't actually know, but my guess is a non-aged, OEM version of the Skinners. Nc is for nickel.

HTH,

 

[stalkon0]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

For that price, I would've at least taken the Bigsby version.
Not that I would buy it, anyway. It's an incredible amount of money.

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Oh. I'd been expecting a kind of Andy Warhol connection.

Yes - but you are not as bat$h!t crazy as Gibson.

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

What in the world could Gibson do to a Les Paul to make it worth $10,000, maybe the tomato soup paint job who in the world would want a tomato soup guitar much less pay $10,000 for it? And to make it more interesting you have to install your own pickguard.

I challenge anyone to provide some kind of rational explanation or justification for this tomato soup guitar.

Coming soon I bet will be the split pea soup SG for $15,000.

I bought a copy of Frehley's 1977 Stage pancake Custom with busted humbuckers for about that….It happens.

Of Course, Iconic guitar that will be recognized 50 years from now, vs guy nobody except guitar illuminati and blues lawyers know and won't remember 165 minutes from now…

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Fender not to be outdone by tomato soup has come out with their new whateverView attachment 75059

Gibson has a great big swinging set of 24lb bowling balls. You have two little butter beans, one of which has not descended yet. Don't judge them until you need a wheelbarrow to carry your sack.

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

I agree with all of this- I am the same. It is pretty. I wouldn't buy it , but I wouldn't buy one at $2k, either. Not my kind of thing. At this point, burst LPs are really common and aren't interesting to me. But if I had that money to only spend on a guitar, I'd rather give it to a luthier that will build exactly what I want, and the 4 would pay his bills for a few months.

Dave, that's easy for you to say because you have tone, chops, and phrasing. Me - I like to dazzle with looks as opposed to musicianship….

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Gibson has not lost their minds. If they sell it, then they made a good business decision. If they sell it for 1/2 price they probably still have made a great business decision. This is America, we can vote by not buying it at their price. I wouldn't....and it is a beautiful guitar by the way. But then again, I'm cheap and I usually buy used and only when I get a good price. That's how I've managed to own nice stuff and not be in debt, in fact I have a nice profit overall....so my gas has actually made me money, just by being patient and being able to walk away. When I was young I could not or would not do that.

Well said.

$5k Tomato guitar with mismatched knobs costs $600 to make. It brings in $3k

$10k Tomato guitar brings in $6k. Still cost $600 to make.

See what they did there? Sith marketing…

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Here's the reason why items/services like this exist:

Because people buy them. The law of supply and demand.

Now imagine, if you will, a world where no one bought Gibson... Gibson would cease to exist. But before that happened,
in order to keep the company afloat, they would be forced to lower their prices.

Generally speaking, the typical consumer isn't very bright... and even lazier. So, for example, instead of switching
to another cable company to lower their bill, they begrudgingly continue to pay a higher fee... out of convenience (laziness).

To sum up, it's not ultimately Gibson's fault things like these exist - it's the consumers'. If consumers nutted up and
put their foot down when businesses tried to fleece them, the world would be a much better place.

Politics is the same way…ouch!

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Interesting discussion on the blues. As a player who is not a blues player, but plays in a band that gets lumped in (and marketed) as a blues band, I play a lot of festivals. And I was talking about this very subject on a radio interview yesterday. Blues these days is really 'in a box'. You have to wear a costume (a bowling shirt and fedora helps), play a certain type of guitar (not invented after 1962), and use a certain kind of amp.
Performers do the 'entertaining' thing, rarely deviating from the type of performance that BB King was doing in the 50s. And if there are any players out there adding anything new to the blues, I haven't heard it. I don't define the blues as a chord progression, a series of bends with the pentatonic scale, or guitar faces at the right time, though. Many do, which forces the once-revolutionary/rebellious art form into a stagnant lounge act.

I find this entire post a complete smack in the face and am completely offended Dave…:laugh2:

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Begging your pardon but what you describe sounds like a circus act...sad...

YES - Circus act!!!!! YOU get it!!!!!!

Not sad - entertaining and fun!!!!!

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

I have listened to Joe - in fact he's on right now. Good? oh hell yes. But for whatever reason he just doesn't float my boat. To me, he's the Dave Navarro of the Blues. I just don't get it. Maybe just a matter of timing. He walked in the door at a 'complete lack of blues' moment and won the lottery - including Gibson sig guitars.

I think whoever said 'Not Cray/Vaughn" but not just another clapton imitator nailed it.

And totally agree with Dave. Blues has became not about imitating, but about cloning it. If you have one gene spliced wrong; FAIL.

And Gibson is working what I call there Icon business model these days. So no surprise. But yes - market, marketing, and all that combine to do some crazy stuff. But in the end…it keeps happening. Hmm….

 

[bloomfieldriffs]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

http://www.gibson.com/Products/Elec...oe-Bonamassa-Tomato-Soup-Burst-Signature.aspx

As you can see, the ASKING PRICE is $5,999.00. You could probably have it for about 30% less if you shop in the "right places".

However, as you've compared a limited-edition, collector-oriented, custom-shop signature instrument to a budget studio, b*tchin'-n-moanin' about the price, not to mention the "non-matching knobs", what I see is simply a bad case of "sour grapes" syndrome.

What I see is a bad case of little sir echo AlexR already pointed this out.

 

[bloomfieldriffs]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

I don't actually know, but my guess is a non-aged, OEM version of the Skinners. Nc is for nickel.

HTH,

You don't know much do you Ni is nickel unless you have devised a new Periodic table of elements.

 

[Guitaraxz]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

If the Tomato Soup aint your cup of tea, they have some interesting options:

LP made of Swamp Ash (Ash is much lighter than Mahogany & Maple, say goodbie to back pains), it's for 1,699, the only thing I'd change are the pups. I'd stick in a Mod78 & Seth. http://www.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/2016/USA/Les-Paul-Studio-Swamp-Ash.aspo

A 7 string LP http://www.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/2016/USA/Les-Paul-Standard-7-String-Limited.aspx

7 string SG with Duncans JB & 59 http://www.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/2016/USA/Les-Paul-Standard-7-String-Limited.aspx

 

[Guitaraxz]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

You don't know much do you Ni is nickel unless you have devised a new Periodic table of elements.

Well this aint the Periodic table. Duncan terms nickel as Nkl (for instance a Seth with nickel cover is termed; SH-55 Nkl). If they mean a nickel cover they sometimes refer to it as a Ncov. A gold cover is termed Gcov, not AuCov (Au is the periodic table term for gold). I don't have the patience to google Gibson terms.

 

[bloomfieldriffs]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Well this aint the Periodic table. Duncan terms nickel as Nkl (for instance a Seth with nickel cover is termed; SH-55 Nkl). If they mean a nickel cover they sometimes refer to it as a Ncov. A gold cover is termed Gcov, not AuCov (Au is the periodic table term for gold). I don't have the patience to google Gibson terms.

By who? I did a Duncan search for SH-55 Nkl and came up empty handed http://www.seymourduncan.com/?s=SH-55+Nkl&post_type=
Not trying to be argumentative but I a truly curious about what Nk means.

 

[bloomfieldriffs]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Well this aint the Periodic table. Duncan terms nickel as Nkl (for instance a Seth with nickel cover is termed; SH-55 Nkl). If they mean a nickel cover they sometimes refer to it as a Ncov. A gold cover is termed Gcov, not AuCov (Au is the periodic table term for gold). I don't have the patience to google Gibson terms.

By who? I did a Duncan search for SH-55 Nkl and came up empty handed http://www.seymourduncan.com/?s=SH-55+Nkl&post_type=
Not trying to be argumentative but I a truly curious about what Nk means.

 

[bloomfieldriffs]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Here is what Duncan media manager has to say, no mention of nickel:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?302484-Question-for-Duncan-Reps
Here are the reported specs:
Pickups: Seymour Duncan 52-Nc (neck) - 7.27K ohms; Seymour Duncan 53-Nc (bridge) - 7.78K ohms
Another theory is that they have a5 + a2 & a5 + a3 magnets.

 

[Aceman]

Re: finally has happened Gibson has lost it's minds! $10,000 tomato soup Les Paul

Here is what Duncan media manager has to say, no mention of nickel:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?302484-Question-for-Duncan-Reps
Here are the reported specs:
Pickups: Seymour Duncan 52-Nc (neck) - 7.27K ohms; Seymour Duncan 53-Nc (bridge) - 7.78K ohms
Another theory is that they have a5 + a2 & a5 + a3 magnets.

Yeah - but is well known that the Duncan Media Manager was an idiot.