Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

orpheo

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Yes, this is the right spot because the guitar isn't that interesting (well... it is, but the pickups are more interesting ;) ).

I have a customer who wants the impossible, which is kinda fun. I'll give you the brief in short:

- have a lefty strat, strung righthanded, with an improved trem, premium choice timber, thin skin gloss nitro finish
-have the clean single coil tones of hendrix as well as the ballsy power of a humbucker

So I deviced a method of having a hotrail under the pickguard next to three SSL1's, so the hotrail would be invisible. I adjusted the neck pocket so the neck sits closer to the pickguard, in essence closing the gap between string and pickup. On the first proto, I made a few mistakes in the routing and pickguard so I had to redo the body.

At this point in the build I was kinda feeling annoyed by the entire project so I grabbed an allparts swamp ash strat body (righty, cause this is just a prototype and I tend to keep my own prototypes ;) ), sanded it flat and added a nice walnut top. So, there we go.

Ash body, walnut top, maple neck, ebony board.
Gotoh bridge, Sperzel locking tuners, bone nut.
Seymour Duncan YJM set + Hotrail. (wanted to try out the YJM set so badly!).

I wired it to be fairly straight forward: 1 volume, 1 tone. The middle pot is now replaced by a 4 way rotary for 2 reasons. 1: I didn't wanna waste one of my 2way rotary switches for this proto due to cost (the ones I have are quite expensive). 2: I wanted to try out various wiring combinations such as parallel and series. SO now I have it like this; YJM, both parallel, both series, Hotrail. I have to say, I really like the 2 outer positions, the inner positions aren't that useful: the parallel setting loses the sparkle, the series setting isn't that hot after all.

So, yeah, there you go. A totally useful strat, designed to go from late 60ies tones to more modern tones. Except... it doesn't.

I really don't like the YJM pickups. That's my only gripe. The basis is really good, plays like butter, sounds great on the hotrail but the YJM's are way too warm for my taste. Consider this, I'm a major fan of the SSl1's. To me, they're close to the best affordable strat pickups around and the YJM's fall short, as far as I'm concerned. They're not BAD. Really, they're fine. but the SSL1's are better. despite the hum.

I had to make 2 pickguards because I forgot to slide the hotrail to the right spot. I used the same center line for the 2nd bridge single as I did for the first and that was kinda stupid :P Oh well. Live 'n learn.

Lt.Kojak/Pepe wanted to see the final results so, well.. here you go:)



here's a pic of the guitar with the old PG. Notice the blue in the spring cavity? That's the old color still there. Didn't bother to sand ;) I recut the neck joint and added the screw bushings. I never ever use neck screw plates. Why should I? Because this way, I can make the neck joint so much cleaner and rounder and smoother. Also, I made a spring cavity cover from the same material as the pickguard (not yet installed in the pic).

Don't bust my balls about the chrome vs gold hardware. I was waiting for the gold parts to come in but wanted to try this out ASAP so I could give the customer my findings report. I had the tuners+bridge already from an old project and getting new gold trimmings was cheaper than getting new chrome parts :P



 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

OH, and that board? that's really ebony. Ebony doesn't have to be black? ;)

#blacktimbersmatter ;)

Oh, and I finished the neck with superglue. Super thinly applied, then sanded and buffed to a soft satin. Best. Neck-feel. Ever!
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

I had the same idea....sorta. I want to put rail humbuckers inside the bridge and neck singles (bridge one closer to the neck and neck one in the traditional 24th fret spot). I'll be wiring everything to a superswitch with a 2 throw switch to go from a standard 5way strat switching with the single coils and the ibanez HH 5way switching with the minirails.
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

I'd leave the bridge single coil in its slanted position. Slide it 5mm closer to the neck though (hurrah, no more screechiness) and add the rails between bridge and single. Neck rail is good between mid and neck. But do it close together!

The pups I used are so well shielded, I have little issues with crossover or whatever. I tried it with a metal barrier in an earlier iteration of this project and also without the rail and there were no noticeable differences. That's why I was confident enough to jam the pups so close.
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

guitar looks great and i like the three singles + rail option. ive never tried the yjm's but i didnt love the dimarzios hs3's he used to use and i am anything but a neo-classical shredder. i do love the ssl2's though
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

Another awesome creation.
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

Nicely done, orpheo!

Are the pots 500K?
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

I love seeing grain in ebony boards. I also like the concept of the hot rails paired in there and hidden.

By the way, I think I'm going to steal the super glue idea to finish a neck and see how it turns out.


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Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

I do use 500k volume pots. Kinda like it that way :)

These pups are better than dmz's version for sure. They're good. Just not for me :)

Super glue: take your time, use a respirator, vent properly, use gloves and start with grit 180. That's my recipe to avoid disaster ;)
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

I do use 500k volume pots. Kinda like it that way :)

These pups are better than dmz's version for sure. They're good. Just not for me :)

Super glue: take your time, use a respirator, vent properly, use gloves and start with grit 180. That's my recipe to avoid disaster ;)
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

The pups I used are so well shielded, I have little issues with crossover or whatever. I tried it with a metal barrier in an earlier iteration of this project and also without the rail and there were no noticeable differences. That's why I was confident enough to jam the pups so close.

I've not been so lucky in my past experiments: when I've tried that in a test guitar, I had attached the bridge duet temporarily in such a way that I could remove the pickup with the ceramic bar without touching the other one. I could clearly hear the difference in real time: the sound of the single coil with alnico rods changed when I pulled up the rails next to it. And when I engaged the gain, I had a squeal that none of the pup's alone would have produced...

Now, if you've found a way to make it work, I'm simply glad for you. Nice job!
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

I do use 500k volume pots.
Try with a couple of 1M pots, just for kicks. It might give back a little bit of the missing "glass" the SSL-1s are so well-known for!

HTH,
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

I've not been so lucky in my past experiments: when I've tried that in a test guitar, I had attached the bridge duet temporarily in such a way that I could remove the pickup with the ceramic bar without touching the other one. I could clearly hear the difference in real time: the sound of the single coil with alnico rods changed when I pulled up the rails next to it. And when I engaged the gain, I had a squeal that none of the pup's alone would have produced...

Now, if you've found a way to make it work, I'm simply glad for you. Nice job!

:( Sorry to hear. My guess is that this works because the YJM's are noiseless.

@pepe I'll give that a try when I add the gold trimmings. I'll also add a resistor to lower the volume pot when I engage the hotrail. That sucker is bright (and needs 250k cause even 500 is too harsh)
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

:( Sorry to hear. My guess is that this works because the YJM's are noiseless.
No that's not it, it "works" but what freefrog is pointing out is simply that the magnetic field of the bridge YJM is corrupted by the presence of a ceramic magnet pickup right next to it. Whether you like the sound of them individually or combined will be a matter of preference. But the magnetic fields are interacting in a way that is altering the sound, possibly the long term gauss strength of the Alnico in the YJM. If you like it that's all that matters for now.
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

No that's not it, it "works" but what freefrog is pointing out is simply that the magnetic field of the bridge YJM is corrupted by the presence of a ceramic magnet pickup right next to it. Whether you like the sound of them individually or combined will be a matter of preference. But the magnetic fields are interacting in a way that is altering the sound, possibly the long term gauss strength of the Alnico in the YJM. If you like it that's all that matters for now.

I'll pull out the rails to check it again. But I doubt the mag's of the YJM will degauss this easily. The bkp jug's have alnico's + ceramic in 1 pickup too.
 
Re: Finished a Prototype Guitar: Pepe, this thread's for you

Do you not know Frank's[emoji768] personality? Some might say he knows all about magnetism.
 
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