For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

[CronoDL]

Hey Artie, you made a post in a thread I started a few days ago, but it's getting a little buried.

Basically, you suggested that instead of doing a magnet flip for "inner/outer coil parallel" wiring, I can use both north or both south coils and still have it hum-cancelling.

That's possible on the Superswitch, correct? I got a little confused on your instructions. Can you tell me if I understood it right, and which wires to swap in this diagram if I don't flip the magnet.

Thanks a lot in advance! :bigthumb:

 

[Artie]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

If you don't do the magnet flip, then you wire both pups up completely normal. So, in that drawing, you'ld reverse the black and green wires of the bridge pup.

Note: That also means, however, that you need to change a couple other wires in that diagram. Give me a moment, and I'll make the changes.

 

[Artie]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

I didn't realize til after I'd drawn it up, that all you have to do is reverse the two connections on #2 and #4 in the upper, right quadrant of the switch. (Along with the black and green of the bridge pup.)

But here it is anyway.

btw - that one weird blue line is just so that you can tell it from the ones it crosses. It's connected to those black lines on the left.

 

[CronoDL]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

Thanks a bunch Artie, you rock!

But just for clarification here:

In regards to the picture, since I won't be doing the magnet flip, the polarity on the bridge pup should now be reversed, am I correct? That means the inner coils would be North, and the outer coils would be south?

Also, the two bottom quadrants on the picture would be the row of lugs that are "sandwiched" on the switch itself, yes?
In other words, if I took the switch in the picture below, in its current position, and just pointed the switch tip away from me, the quadrants I see on the switch would have the same orientation as the way it is in the diagram, correct?

One last thing - the black arrow from the switch would go to the volume pot, right?

Thanks for your help. I don't fully understand the science and mechanics behind the superswitch, so I had to ask a lot of questions. :smack:

 

[Artie]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

In regards to the picture, since I won't be doing the magnet flip, the polarity on the bridge pup should now be reversed, am I correct? That means the inner coils would be North, and the outer coils would be south?

Not exactly. Since you won't be doing the magnet flip, and you're wiring the hots and grounds like normal, everything will be in phase. In other words, you're just mounting two humbuckers in the "normal", everyday fashion. You won't be using "inner and outer" coils per se. Imagine the guitar sitting on a stand, with the neck pointing up. In one position you'll have the "top" two coils, and in the other position, the "bottom" two coils.

Since the normal way to mount two humbuckers is with the adjustable poles to the outside, you'll have adjustable of one, with stud of the other, and vice-versa. Like this:

Also, the two bottom quadrants on the picture would be the row of lugs that are "sandwiched" on the switch itself, yes?
In other words, if I took the switch in the picture below, in its current position, and just pointed the switch tip away from me, the quadrants I see on the switch would have the same orientation as the way it is in the diagram, correct?

One last thing - the black arrow from the switch would go to the volume pot, right?

Yes to both. The switch is symmetrical, so it doesn't matter which way you turn it, as long as you remember that the handle is always opposite the contact. So, in that first drawing, you make contact with terminals "1" when the handle is to the left.

Don't hesitate to ask if you have more questions. Remember, measure twice - cut once.

Artie

 

[tone4days]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

yeah, be careful with the modded picture ... the legend is no longer accurate, and as your wiring assumes no magnet flipped, the magnetic polarities are now incorrect

that is a potentially very misleading diagram now

t4d

 

[Artie]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

Thanks for pointing that out T4D. I should've editted the text when I editted the lines. I'll fix that as soon as I get home. (About 5 hours)

btw - The magnet isn't backwards, just the label.

 

[CronoDL]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

Thanks so much for the help guys; I don't think there's anywhere else that I could have gotten this kind of information

I'm gonna probably start a new thread on what pups to get, and after I decide, I'll order the pups and the switch and tackle the wiring. I'll make sure to ask you guys if I got more questions, I'll report back to you guys when that gets done!

 

[Artie]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

You're welcome.

My diagram has now been editted to reflect the proper text.

 

[tone4days]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

You're welcome.

My diagram has now been editted to reflect the proper text.

nice work artie ... but you didnt switch the N and S for the bridge pickup .. my N and S corresponded to a 'flipped mag' orientation ... your way, without a flipped mag, the screw coil needs to be S and the stud coil needs to be N ... this is how you retain humcancelling .. one S coil and one N coil from each pup

t4d

 

[CronoDL]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

On the revised version, shouldn't the polarity of the bridge pup be reversed? Right now, they're the same as on the diagram with the flipped magnet.

 

[tone4days]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

crono dl gets the eagle eye award and wins the tie breaker in the 'fastest finger' competition with t4d

 

[Artie]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

Uh . . . this was a test, to see if you all were paying attention . . . yeah, dat's the ticket. :laugh2:

Good catch guys. If you keep this up, I'll have to start actually being diligent.

Artie

 

[tone4days]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

i'd be very curious to know the difference in tones between 'inners', 'outers', 'uppers', and 'lowers'

not curious enough to DO anything about it .. but curious, nonetheless

have a good weekend
t4d

 

[Artie]

Re: For ArtieToo - about magnet flip

I had my Patriot set up for awhile with two DPDT on-off-on switches, (plus the normal 3-way), so that I could select any combination of any coils. The biggest difference was inner or outer coil of the bridge. I'm assuming thats because of the slight difference in distance from the bridge. All other combinations were very subtle, but I did like the coil closest to the neck, on the neck pickup better.

So, if I did it again, I'd just split to the adjustable coil of the neck, and the stud coil of the bridge. That way, it remains humbucking, and no flipping of magnets or pickups, or wires is necessary. Plus, you can cover it with one simple push/pull switch.

Artie