For those curious about what a 1986 Alnico II Pro humbucker looks like...

freakton

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Here are a few examples.

Also, here is a copy/paste from a post I made on the subject last year:

From what I know, the first Duncan humbuckers (very late '70s through early '80s) had no logo at all pressed into the bottom of the metal baseplate (so it is a totally plain baseplate). The typeface/font on the sticker is sort of crude looking (like a typewriter did it, as opposed to a computer/laser printer), with no winder initial as the last character.

Starting somewhere in the mid '80s (I'm guessing possibly around the '83 or '84 time frame? I'm not 100% sure of the dates - I'd really love to nail this down - but I'm pretty sure we're talking '85 at the latest), there was a "large" "Seymour Duncan Pickups" logo (the big "S" itself is about 3/4 inch by 1/2 inch) pressed into the bottom of the metal baseplate (but does *not* say "Made in America" under that), sticker has the crude typeface/font where usually none of the letters line up precisely, last character on sticker represents winder's initial. Regarding *humbuckers* in this specific era (with these exact physical characteristics), I have seen "J" (who is confirmed as Maricela Juarez, also known as MJ), and I have also seen "L" (possibly Lidia Daniel, according question #131 on Seymour's Q&A on the Seymour Duncan webpage). Anyone seen any other initials on humbuckers with these exact characteristics (other than J or L)? One other characteristic worth mentioning that I have noticed is that the corners/edges of the black tape surrounding the coils/bobbins always overlap onto the bottom of the baseplate. I have several examples of Alnico II Pro humbuckers from this era, and the sticker (which seems to be always placed right over the Duncan logo) has slightly rounded corners and measures around 1 1/4 inches by about 3/8 of an inch, and the paper is slightly darkened to the color of masking tape (as opposed to pure, bright white). Also, the Alnico II Pro humbuckers I own from this era have the vintage-style braided-shield leads, as opposed to the 4-conductor wire which I believe came later.

Finally, starting somewhere in the later '80s (again, I'd like to nail this down, but I'm thinking possibly somewhere in the '86 or '87 time frame?), one of the most obvious changes is that there was a "small" Seymour Duncan logo pressed into the bottom of the metal baseplate with "Made In America" right under that, sticker still has the crude typeface/font where usually none of the letters line up precisely, last character on sticker represents winder's initial.
 
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That's some good info, nice post. :)
 
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However vintage they may be, I'd never use them simply for the single-conductor wiring. I only use 4-conductor wiring, much more versatile.
 
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We have up to now only a very rough timeline! In this it should be made after 1983 up to 1987

This are my best guesses:

1. no backlogo, small tag without winder from late 70 up to 1981
2. no backlogo, small tag with winder initial from 1981 to 1983
3. big backlogo without MiA, small tag with winder from at least 1983 to 1987
4. small backlogo with MiA, small tag with winder from 1987 to 2002
5. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with SN and Model from 2002 to ?
6. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with date from ? to now

When did the silkscreen "Seymour Duncan" on the coil come up?
 
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As far as Slash's #1 recording guitar goes (his Derrig Les Paul replica, built somewhere in the late '85 to early/mid '86 time frame - the one that will be the subject of the next Gibson Slash Signature model), these few pictures are basically exactly what I would expect his pickups to look like on the bottoms.

I would expect them to read APH1BJ (for the bridge pickup - the reverse zebra) and APH1NJ (for the neck pickup - the zebra). This "J" would indicate that Maricela Juarez was the winder. Maricela Juarez (you can hang your top hat on that one).

For some reason, on the neck examples from back then, the ink on the sticker seems to fade faster than the bridge ones - so it might be a little harder to read the neck label than the bridge label. But most bridge labels are still clear enough and easy to read today.

It's interesting to me, most serious Slash fans who know electric guitars can probably tell you that Slash's #1 Derrig has Alnico II Pros, but there are a lot more interesting little details to discover when you start looking into that 1986 time period specifically.

The first official appearance of the Alnico II Pro humbucker in Seymour Duncan advertising was on the "How to Pick a Pickup" catalog, copyright 1986, featuring a picture of Jeff Beck and Seymour on the one full side of the catalog when unfolded.
 
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a bit OT, but back then slash used the jcm 900 which is said to have a "cold" or "lifeless" tone as well as not sounding "tubey".
 
Re: For those curious about what a 1986 Alnico II Pro humbucker looks like...

a bit OT, but back then slash used the jcm 900 which is said to have a "cold" or "lifeless" tone as well as not sounding "tubey".

Is this true ?
I never knew this, nor did he state that in his Biog !


James
 
Re: For those curious about what a 1986 Alnico II Pro humbucker looks like...

We have up to now only a very rough timeline! In this it should be made after 1983 up to 1987

This are my best guesses:

1. no backlogo, small tag without winder from late 70 up to 1981
2. no backlogo, small tag with winder initial from 1981 to 1983
3. big backlogo without MiA, small tag with winder from at least 1983 to 1987
4. small backlogo with MiA, small tag with winder from 1987 to 2002
5. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with SN and Model from 2002 to ?
6. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with date from ? to now

When did the silkscreen "Seymour Duncan" on the coil come up?

Great post and info guys . . . many thanx !



James
 
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Re: For those curious about what a 1986 Alnico II Pro humbucker looks like...

a bit OT, but back then slash used the jcm 900 which is said to have a "cold" or "lifeless" tone as well as not sounding "tubey".

... back *when*? The JCM900 wasn't introduced yet when GnR cut AFD... and that album was recorded with a 100w Marshall plexi Tremolo head (SiR #39) modified by Tim Casswell. Club days... Slash was using Rissons... and I wouldn't describe those amps as sounding "cold, lifeless and and non-tubey"... :friday:
 
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Wow, they came with one mounting screw back then? :lol:

And they had a Cable address? Like, Telegram? Far out :lol:
 
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However vintage they may be, I'd never use them simply for the single-conductor wiring. I only use 4-conductor wiring, much more versatile.

then you're missing out- single conductors can be changed out for 4 conductors very quickly and easily. all you gotta do is unscrew the baseplate, take out the single conductor, solder in the 4, tape it up, bolt it back together, and you're set. i've probably done it to at least 5 times and it isn't that hard.
 
Re: For those curious about what a 1986 Alnico II Pro humbucker looks like...

a bit OT, but back then slash used the jcm 900 which is said to have a "cold" or "lifeless" tone as well as not sounding "tubey".

... back *when*? The JCM900 wasn't introduced yet when GnR cut AFD... and that album was recorded with a 100w Marshall plexi Tremolo head (SiR #39) modified by Tim Casswell. :friday:

That is what i thought too !



James
 
Re: For those curious about what a 1986 Alnico II Pro humbucker looks like...

Thanks for sharing. Interesting the way the pups were packeged back then compared to today.
 
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I believe the baseplate might have been redesigned in December 1986. This might have been when the bottom baseplate logo was changed to the smaller logo with "Made in America" under that.
 
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On Appetite, in a nutshell, Slash's sound is a vintage-style Les Paul (the Derrig replica), through a high-gain-modified early '70s Marshall, tempered by the low output of a 1986 set of Alnico II Pros. I think the 1985 Roland SRV-2000 rackmount reverb unit at the board also had an underestimated impact.
 
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I wanna know how the sound is different and I also want to now how many other (and which ones!) Duncan pickups were changed...
 
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Aside from Slash, something that has always intrigued me is that well-known vintage Les Paul expert/collector, Tom Wittrock, has favored his beat-up Les Paul goldtop he calls "G.I. Paul" since the '80s. That guitar was routed for humbuckers and has been Wittrock's favorite guitar since he installed a set of double-white circa 1986 Alnico II Pros over 20 years ago. And it is interesting that this guitar is his favorite because he has several real '58 through '60 sunburst Les Pauls in his collection.
 
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JCM800 = 1980s

JCM900 = 1990s
 
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Can anyone shed any light on what all the numbers mean on the new stickers? Besides the model name is there any information that can be gleaned from the numbers? Like 438th Full Shred bridge pickup in the 19th day of 2009?
 
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