Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

There are similarities with what you guys want. You're approaching it differently and focusing on different details. It's going to be impossible to agree on every single lil thing.

Since the origin of this idea was a hybrid neck pickup that matched the 59/Custom, it's only natural to use the 59/Custom as our reference sound. We also need a bridge pickup, but we cannot expect them to design 2 completely different sounding pickups.

I believe we can describe a hybrid set that is realistic and provides both a new take on the Duncan hybrid sound, as well as a neck pickup that matches nicely with the original hybrid.

Here is what we agree on:
(All compared to 59/Custom)

1. Shift midrange focus to high mids
2. Cleaner, more clear, let the amp do the work
3. Controlled lows. *
4. Maintain hybrid complexity and character

*There are differences in how to do this, but it may occur naturally from trying to get #1 and 2.

 

[VHTJay]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

Hmmm....so reading this, the bridge companion will just be a tweaked 59/Custom? I see how this makes perfect sense....but that will be the easiest money MJ has ever made! Haha! I would say I got 95% of the way with Itsa's idea.

Hybrid set VS Zebro set.....conservatively designed VS proprietary. Lets see what happens.

 

[crusty philtrum]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

There is already a perfect neck pickup companion to the 59/Custom, also invented by the same creator, Bach2Rock.

and that's the 59/Jazz hybrid.

all my humbucker guitars feature that neck pickup (A5s usually, one has an A4). I can only assume the reason this pickup is not being mentioned is because one needs to make them, so i assume many or most people here have never heard them.

Like the 59/Custom, the 59/Jazz should be a production model, and it disappoints me that it isn't.

It seems pointless talking about neck hybrids if you haven't heard the 59/Jazz.

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

Hmmm....so reading this, the bridge companion will just be a tweaked 59/Custom? I see how this makes perfect sense....but that will be the easiest money MJ has ever made! Haha! I would say I got 95% of the way with Itsa's idea.

Hybrid set VS Zebro set.....conservatively designed VS proprietary. Lets see what happens.

I'm thinking that it would be a custom wound set with a neck pickup that happens to also sound good with the 59/Custom. Our description is changing enough variables that the bridge version should use very different coils from the original hybrid.

 

[VHTJay]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

I'm thinking that it would be a custom wound set with a neck pickup that happens to also sound good with the 59/Custom. Our description is changing enough variables that the bridge version should use very different coils from the original hybrid.

Well, if that's the case then that makes it more interesting. So, tone wise, you are thinking COMPARED to the existing hybrid, but not BASED off of it.

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

^ Correct. The 59/Custom just provides a consistent reference point.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

^ Correct. The 59/Custom just provides a consistent reference point.

As it should.

 

[VHTJay]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

What is the output range going to be? I know low output modern and vintage hot were tied....although there was a little confusion there.

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

There is already a perfect neck pickup companion to the 59/Custom, also invented by the same creator, Bach2Rock.

and that's the 59/Jazz hybrid.

all my humbucker guitars feature that neck pickup (A5s usually, one has an A4). I can only assume the reason this pickup is not being mentioned is because one needs to make them, so i assume many or most people here have never heard them.

Like the 59/Custom, the 59/Jazz should be a production model, and it disappoints me that it isn't.

It seems pointless talking about neck hybrids if you haven't heard the 59/Jazz.

That very well might be what the CS decides to make; we aren't exactly specifying, I guess. (I would prefer to specify, myself.) But if it isn't, whatever they do make will still be a good – and purpose-made – neck match to the '59/C.

Is the '59/Jazz made using a '59 neck and a Jazz neck? Or is it made using the leftover '59 bridge coil after making a '59/C, combined with a Jazz neck coil?

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

What is the output range going to be? I know low output modern and vintage hot were tied....although there was a little confusion there.

Would we be able to call it "low to moderate"? This should keep us in a reasonable range and still allow some freedom for them to get great tones.

 

[VHTJay]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

Yup, I think that would be reasonable; kinda what I figured. So, somewhere in the S-Deco/hybrid/Perpetual Burn range then. Resistance range would vary, because it would depend on the coils they use, but those three I all consider moderate output. Sounds like you have a pretty good idea for the hybrid set.

 

[KeeperOS]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

Moderate yes. Low no. Neither Vintage Hot nor Moderate Modern are near the lower end of the output spectrum.
Again, what is wrong with "somewhere along the lines of, say, a Jazz for the neck and a 59/C for the bridge"?

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

That way of defining the range works just as well. I doubt that if they are matching the neck to a 59/custom, that it would be any lower output than a jazz. It would likely be more powerful.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

That way of defining the range works just as well. I doubt that if they are matching the neck to a 59/custom, that it would be any lower output than a jazz. It would likely be more powerful.

Actually, it depends how one will define "matching output". *My* definition is to compensate for the difference of output created by the movement of the strings, which IME is roughly 15%, so using the infamous 5,000 turns of AWG#42 wire per bobbin Seth Lover came up with, I'd underwind the neck by 5% and overwind the bridge by 10%.

HTH,

 

[KeeperOS]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

Well, this is the Seymour Duncan Custom Shop we're talking about so I don't think we have anything to fear

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

Shall we vote now? If necessary we can work more on the voicing after we know which pickup is the one

 

[Myaccount876]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

Go on with the vote. And after that, I think the voicing should be pretty vague, because otherwise too many things will be asked of one pickup. Let the CS do their magic. I'd say decide on either low/medium/high output, and scooped/flat/extra mids. Make it as straightforward as possible, and try to avoid contradictions. I'm pretty sure the point most people will want a hybrid is enhanced clarity and harmonic content, so that's a given. Make the clarity under dirt and harmonics shine.

 

[KeeperOS]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

+1 on the vote and kinda agree on the voicing. Keep it non-specific I'd say rather than vague.
We do want to shape it to an extent, just not over-tweak and, agreed, avoid contradictions like "warm but crisp with heavy bottom and chiming highs" or similar

 

[guitar74]

Re: Forum design vote #5.10 (Hybrid?)

I'm on board for both. I like where the output is on the 59/custom hybrid, but definition needs a little help. low to moderate is great, and the neck would need to compliment it. On a different note, I would like to see an A2 Full Shred, but I'm weird like that.