Forum design vote #6 (again)

[playas]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Silly question maybe (and apologies if it´s already been asked, I haven´t read all the invdividual threads) but; would the hybrid be something along the lines of a '59/jazz neck designed to match the '59/Custom bridge?

It´s not really clear what it would end up being, so hard to vote for it, although it sounds like potentially being the preferable option.

 

[dominus]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Maybe change the poll to reflect Zebro vs Humbucker.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Silly question maybe (and apologies if it´s already been asked, I haven´t read all the invdividual threads) but; would the hybrid be something along the lines of a '59/jazz neck designed to match the '59/Custom bridge?

It´s not really clear what it would end up being, so hard to vote for it, although it sounds like potentially being the preferable option.

No it wouldn't. The current iteration of the idea is that it will have "special" coils wound just for it not based off any current pickups. Which seems silly to me.

 

[Swyse]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Silly question maybe (and apologies if it´s already been asked, I haven´t read all the invdividual threads) but; would the hybrid be something along the lines of a '59/jazz neck designed to match the '59/Custom bridge?

It´s not really clear what it would end up being, so hard to vote for it, although it sounds like potentially being the preferable option.

The hybrid/hybro isn't intended to use existing coils, unless that is what the custom shop deems to be the best neck pickup match for the 59/custom hybrid.
It is intended to be wound to match the 59/custom bridge, but in the neck, however the custom shop sees fit to make the "hyrbid" mismatched coil character of it. I think they can do better than slapping a 59/jazz together, but if thats what they deem ideal that is what we'll see I believe.

 

[Swyse]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

No it wouldn't. The current iteration of the idea is that it will have "special" coils wound just for it not based off any current pickups. Which seems silly to me.

Just to be clear, you mean that you think having special coils is silly? I wonder if enough people think that we'd be better off with a "sh-16n" '59/Jazz Hybrid that we'd be able to just get a run of those made and everyone else can have their special Zebros.
Without the cost of R&D it would likely be much more affordable to produce as well, might be a win-win if enough people are interested.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

I have nothing to do with the origination of these ideas, but in the interest of actually figuring out what you guys want to do, I propose a new vote:

• Zebro (3+3 offset coils) Strat-type voicing
• Zebro (3+3 offset coils) P90 voicing
• Zebro (3+3 offset coils) other voicing (to be determined)
• Hybrid humbucker made with existing coils to match '59/Custom Hybrid.
• Hybrid humbucker made from existing neck '59 coil and yet-to-be-designed neck Custom (would also inherently produce a new neck Custom series pickup)
• Humbucker with offset coils to be determined, may be same wire gauge but may not, made from coils that do not presently exist, to match '59/Custom Hybrid
• I like ice cream

Sound like a good idea to you guys?

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

^^^
That is totally backtracking, and voting on things that we long ago decided to leave up to the Custom Shop's discretion.

Other than a name change for the "Hybrid," we're where we need to be. My only other suggestion would be to delete every post (but the OP, of course) in this thread and close it to further posts. We have talked this thing to death already, but people are continuing to speak as if we are in the early stages of this pickup ("Maybe we should do this," "I propose this," "How about instead of this we do this," "Let's vote on this," etc.). Enough! It's all been hashed over ad nauseum for something like four months already! Ideas had their chances, and were either voted up or voted down. At this point, it's time to just sit back, shut up, and let it ride (after the naming of the pickups is made to be fair, though). Give us some damned distance between the campaign and the polling place!

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

^^^
That is totally backtracking, and voting on things that we long ago decided to leave up to the Custom Shop's discretion.

Is it backtracking since it still seems some of these points keep getting argued? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing a majority consensus here.

And I do personally agree that a voicing should be decided upon above everything else and then MJ, Derek, and Seymour should figure out how to achieve that voicing, but also doesn't seem to be a popular idea.

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Is it backtracking since it still seems some of these points keep getting argued? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing a majority consensus here.

And I do personally agree that a voicing should be decided upon above everything else and then MJ, Derek, and Seymour should figure out how to achieve that voicing, but also doesn't seem to be a popular idea.

People continue to ***** and moan after an election. Do we go back to the primaries because of it?

The idea you mentioned is basically what has already been decided on over the course of this long and winding road that we've been on all these months. We are submitting some general physical design parameters along with voicing instructions. We are letting them figure out the grisly details of how to wind the things, what magnets to use, etc.

 

[dominus]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

We are submitting some general physical design parameters along with voicing instructions. We are letting them figure out the grisly details of how to wind the things, what magnets to use, etc.

Even that is doing too much. Like I said earlier, people don't need to design the appearance. They need to define the sound. Let the people making the pickup design the appearance.

I think I read somewhere that they need to make 100 of these to make them worth their while. They won't sell 100. They would be lucky to sell 10, even less if it costs even more to manufacture them than the $100 price point.

Let them crowdfund the "zebro" and see how much money people are willing to put up. I bet that amount would be the name of the pickup if the "b" was silent.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

People continue to ***** and moan after an election. Do we go back to the primaries because of it?

The idea you mentioned is basically what has already been decided on over the course of this long and winding road that we've been on all these months. We are submitting some general physical design parameters along with voicing instructions. We are letting them figure out the grisly details of how to wind the things, what magnets to use, etc.

LOL No, true, we do not.

Considering that the vote in this thread is for two completely different ideas, are things really that settled, though? That's why I'm confused.

 

[Jocelyn]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Even that is doing too much. Like I said earlier, people don't need to design the appearance. They need to define the sound. Let the people making the pickup design the appearance.

I think I read somewhere that they need to make 100 of these to make them worth their while. They won't sell 100. They would be lucky to sell 10, even less if it costs even more to manufacture them than the $100 price point.

Let them crowdfund the "zebro" and see how much money people are willing to put up. I bet that amount would be the name of the pickup if the "b" was silent.

This is what I have felt too.. I think there is a bit too much going into the appearance. I say let the custom shop do that tell them the TONE you want.

 

[DreX]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

This is what I have felt too.. I think there is a bit too much going into the appear

As much as people would like to think otherwise, three offset pole pieces have a ramification on tone. It is not a tonal difference that conforms to simple adjectives, like "a little brighter than this, but a little darker than that", so if you do not specifically ask for the 3+3, the Custom Shop would probably not volunteer this design aspect. When a humbucker is stacked, there are pros and cons. When a humbucker is side by side with all twelve pole pieces in place, there are pros and cons. A 3+3 is not purely a cosmetic consideration.

Nobody has asked for (in recent memory) a specific color, nor a specific type of pole piece. The only stipulation has been that two sawed in half bobbins would look bad if not covered up. There has been virtually no talk regarding the appearance of the thing otherwise.

 

[Jocelyn]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

I get what you are saying Drex but if i get it correct the reason for the Z is to get a P90 type tone from a humbucking pickup. Any ways lets see how this works out.

 

[Ptolemaeus]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

This whole thing is turning into another circlejerk like the previous threads were. We're here to pick which concept we want to go with, not how it looks or how to design the thing. Probably should have disabled comments and just put the poll up. Very little of what has been discussed in this thread wasn't discussed in previous threads.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

1. Zebro is a split coil design like a Pbass pickup. It will be under a cover and look like a reguIar humbucker but with only 3 poles per coil. It will combine single coil aspects with hum cancelling. The voicing will be based on a P90, aggressive, full, great harmonics. Frank Falbo made a wonderful suggestion about using 3 magnets to address any anomalies with the design. Whether or not we include this in our proposal to the Custom Shop is yet to be determined. The major drawback with this design will be the cost due to custom fabrication.


2. The hybrid concept is based on getting a good hybrid pickup in the neck position to pair with the 59/Custom. It will be made as a original set, the voicing starts with the 59/Custom but will have more upper mid focus, more controlled bass, cleaner, clearer. It will still have the hybrid complexity. Whether it will be made with 2 different wire gauges, or just have mismatched coils is yet to be determined.

It's pretty clearly stated what is going to be produced in the first post of this thread guys.

The vote is between:
1. A split coil that sounds like a P90
2. An underwound 59/Custom


Where is the confusion in this thread coming from?

 

[DreX]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

The Hybrid leads 2 to 1, and I'm OK with the Zebro losing, apparently it was a 2014 affair, but having a neck version of a an existing pickup be the "forum pickup" really speaks to what a bold and daring bunch we are in 2015.

A side issues is that I'm reluctant to do business with the Custom Shop at this point in time. I might buy a bridge and neck Zebro even if it's not the "winner", but I'm worried about all levels of the transaction at this point: turn around time, communication, and attention to detail (I've had problems with this in the last year). I know they're one of, if not the only, custom shop that does custom fabrications, but it's emotionally stressful all the same to deal with delays and poor communication.

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

This whole thing is turning into another circlejerk like the previous threads were. We're here to pick which concept we want to go with, not how it looks or how to design the thing. Probably should have disabled comments and just put the poll up. Very little of what has been discussed in this thread wasn't discussed in previous threads.

I love the concept of designing a forum pickup and we have experienced some great past successes. However, in all honestly, I'd rather just call the Custom Shop directly and have a pickup made to MY specs these days to avoid the hassle and backlash that seem to inevitably accompany a forum "design" process.

During the "Fuglybucker" phase, I felt I unintentionally created more enemies than friends, even though I was just trying to help and sought to appease people that were feeling like the project was leaving their desires behind. Problem is, something will always be off, whether it be the poll choices, the communication from the member(s) in charge, other members' understanding of the design goals/process or simply the fact that we all have different tastes, needs and expectations and you can't make everyone happy.

Like I said, I'm willing to pay a little more to get exactly what I want and be free of the hard feelings and misunderstandings that abound, but I'm very curious to see how this year's forum baby turns out...if it's cool, I'll put my wallet where my mouth is.

 

[DreX]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

However, in all honestly, I'd rather just call the Custom Shop directly and have a pickup made to MY specs these days to avoid the hassle and backlash that seem to inevitably accompany a forum "design" process.

The whole point of a forum pickup is the shared experience. If anyone here is in it for themselves only... just get whatever you want.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

The whole point of a forum pickup is the shared experience. If anyone here is in it for themselves only... just get whatever you want.

Reading his post I gathered that he understands that but is saying that it hasn't been working out as expected.