Forum design vote #6 (again)

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

How about this for a neck hybrid: A jazz screw coil paired with an SH-6n slug coil (maybe even double screw?) with a UOA5 magnet, or possibly A4. 4 conductor.

I though the whole point of this exercise was to design by tonal target first then let the specs be determined by that... not spitting out specs and hoping they sound cool when put together.

 

[dominus]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

I though the whole point of this exercise was to design by tonal target first then let the specs be determined by that... not spitting out specs and hoping they sound cool when put together.

That's how I build hybrids. They always turn out okay though. :firedevil

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

That's how I build hybrids. They always turn out okay though. :firedevil

Oh well hell since you do it that way we should just forget the target. Let's just make shotgun spec hybrids since they turn out "ok"

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Let's take it to the extreme! Custom Shop picks the forum pickup for us! Tell us what we'll like and we'll like it!

No, DreX. Seymour Duncan is not Apple.

The point is that we're supposed to figure out what the pickup does and the Custom Shop is supposed to figure out the how. Everybody's arguing over the how and after all this reading I still have no clear idea on what everybody wants this to sound like. I see people talking about P90 tone, some talking about Strat tone, some saying it should sound like whatever that configuration does (which could be terrible). With the hybrid idea everybody's arguing about whether existing coils can or can't be used and throwing in all different coil ideas when I thought the idea was supposed to be a neck companion for the '59/C Hybrid.

I think the votes happened and nobody cares what those results were.

Could somebody please succinctly post the results of all the prior votes? I would do it myself but I've got my boss up my butt sideways today... I need a new job.

 

[dominus]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Oh well hell since you do it that way we should just forget the target. Let's just make shotgun spec hybrids since they turn out "ok"

It's more the fact that I start with two pickups that I typically like and an amp setup that I can get just about any tone I want out of. I'm just messing with that last 5% with the pickups, not reinventing the wheel.

 

[DreX]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

The point is that we're supposed to figure out what the pickup does and the Custom Shop is supposed to figure out the how.

To be clear, if you stipulate that much: "forum designed pickup" is an outright misnomer, it's a forum "described" pickup, someone else handles the "design".

Everybody's arguing over the how and after all this reading I still have no clear idea on what everybody wants this to sound like. I see people talking about P90 tone, some talking about Strat tone, some saying it should sound like whatever that configuration does (which could be terrible). With the hybrid idea everybody's arguing about whether existing coils can or can't be used and throwing in all different coil ideas when I thought the idea was supposed to be a neck companion for the '59/C Hybrid.

I think the votes happened and nobody cares what those results were.

Could somebody please succinctly post the results of all the prior votes? I would do it myself but I've got my boss up my butt sideways today... I need a new job.

I don't have even an ounce of passion for the hybrid concept, so I can't speak to that, but I can sum up the Zebro in purely descriptive terms: A humbucker route, humbucking pickup that detects the strings at single nodes, with E,A,D being at one node, and the G,B,E being at another node about a finger's width closer to the bridge of the guitar, with an EQ characteristic similar to a P-90. How the Custom Shop goes about this is in their hands.

 

[Condemned soul]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

As a potential purchaser, I am really hoping for a neck pickup that will be the long lost companion to my 59/Custom pickup. The polls and discussion seems to be bogged down. Have most of you forgotten that common ordinary guitarists, like myself, might be interested in this pickup!

And here is a question from a recent post, "Could somebody please succinctly post the results of all the prior votes?" I'm happy to oblige and here are the results:

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

I prefer this image.


And unfortunately for us all, I was the captain. But I am fully prepared to go down with my ship.

The first post tries to explain what the vote is all about.

Vote 1
Do support the design from March 2014? (Now commonly referred to as the Zebro)

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...ease-read-post)&highlight=forum+design+vote+1

Vote 2
Which pickup rout?

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...m-design-vote-2&highlight=forum+design+vote+1

Vote 3
Coil arrangements

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...ulti-selection)&highlight=forum+design+vote+1


Now we voted on 2 categories simultaneously

Vote 4.1
Humbucker style

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...-10-(Humbucker)&highlight=forum+design+vote+1

Vote 4.2
Phat Cat vs Zebro (then Z90)

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...0-(PhatCat-Z90)&highlight=forum+design+vote+1

In an attempt to minimize arguments, save time, and return to the idea that we would use a broad design concept and not vote on specs, I declared that some type of hybrid set would run against the Zebro. It merged the most popular humbucker ideas from the beginning of the process, It filled a void in the product line, and it fit some other discussions and votes.

In vote 5.1 I describe a sound we had discussed and mention that it doesn't even have to be hybrid.


Vote 5.1
Proceed with Hybrid?

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...-5-10-(Hybrid-)&highlight=forum+design+vote+1

Vote 5.2
Zebro tone =P90?

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...20-(Zebro-P90-)&highlight=forum+design+vote+1


Early idea thread

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...um-pickup-ideas&highlight=forum+design+vote+1

There were a few other threads on this but i cannot find them.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Yah know though Dark Matter... I keep hearing people say they want a neck pickup to match the C/59... Seems more than a few would be on board with that. Why not go with that idea to the CS and let them hammer out the details. If its new coils its new coils... if its old coils its old coils. But give us the companion pickup.

 

[Archer250]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Yes, please.

 

[Ptolemaeus]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

And unfortunately for us all, I was the captain. But I am fully prepared to go down with my ship.

The first post tries to explain what the vote is all about.

I honestly don't think the problem was you, buddy. I think it was everybody else.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Here's where I'm confused, based on the votes you posted.

I'll post pictures so we can visually follow along.

So, here's vote #1. Simple enough.


Vote #2 picked the humbucker format.


Vote #3 picked vintage style coils in a humbucker package.

However, votes #4.1 and #4.2 is where things got muddy. Vote #4.1 went with vote #3, but vote #4.2 was about the Z90/Phat Cat idea. Where did that come from since Vote #3 was for a vintage style humbucker?



Then votes #5.1 and #5.2 got even weirder, completely ignoring vote #3 and reintroduced the hybrid idea, which had lost two votes prior.



Now, I didn't read every post in every thread, but it seems like after vote #3 things went pear shaped when it seemed like the prior vote didn't affect the following vote's choices. Why did the vintage-style humbucker get ditched after it won vote #3?

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Many considered vote 3 to be a failure. It was multiple choice, so many people threw in safety votes. We called it as having no winner. The discussion at the time led me to the idea of having 2 simultaneous polls between the main ideas with the intention of voting between them later.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Many considered vote 3 to be a failure. It was multiple choice, so many people threw in safety votes. We called it as having no winner. The discussion at the time led me to the idea of having 2 simultaneous polls between the main ideas with the intention of voting between them later.

Just my opinion, but I would've re-run vote #3 without the multiple choices to see what people wanted and I would've made the hybrid idea one choice, the voicing of which to be determined in a subsequent vote.

 

[KeeperOS]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

I don't remember the specifics but most weren't really against the idea of mismatched coils (hybrid) but wanted to pin down the kind of pickup (irrelevant of construction) hence those muddied vote 3 results.

The general consensus was that in order to make sense of vote 3 we had to
a) somehow consolidate the results into wider groups and
b) when that failed to produce widely acceptable results, go about it another way.

IRRC mostly all chose that b) would be the fairer route.

 

[SJ318]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

I just re-read the whole thing and very late in the game here,
I would like give Lt. Kojack a plus 1. Post #17 I believe. I would like to insert a very late entry to say to Pepe- that is a very good idea and I say yes to "what say you! Especially the 12 scew idea-I have always thought that was the best way to go. They make 12 hole nickel covers, or you could lower certain screws and put your regular cover back on, no one could tell but it would help with emphasizing certain highs or lows on any given string.
And without a cover, well, the screws the limit!
fwiw,
SJ

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

What we need:

1. Neck pickup designed specifically to pair with 59/Custom
2. Should be available as a set with a moderate output bridge PU.
3. Significant coil asymmetry. Either winding, wire type, or both.
4. Coils may be original or not. CS decides.
5. Voicing yet to be determined. How specific? How technical?

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

1. Neck pickup designed specifically to pair with 59/Custom

That's the basic concept.

2. Should be available as a set

That'll be good.

3. Significant coil asymmetry. Either winding, wire type, or both.

The amount of asymmetry will be dictated by the required voicing.

4. Coils may be original or not. CS decides.

This is also dictated by the required voicing.

5. Voicing yet to be determined. How specific? How technical?

If I may, I'd like to propose a voicing with the body and character of the '59n, added the sharp pick attack of the Jazz.

I'm still pushing the two-screw format as an overlooked tweakability format, not only to balance the inherent output among strings where you can adjust BOTH harmonic nodes, you can also change the p'ups general voicing by just installing it turned 180°.

If the voicing so requires it, I'm OK with using hex-screws. I'm 100% with a "form following function" p'up.

Why everything I'm writing feels like deja vu, uh?

HTH,

 

[Archer250]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

That's the basic concept.


That'll be good.


The amount of asymmetry will be dictated by the required voicing.


This is also dictated by the required voicing.


If I may, I'd like to propose a voicing with the body and character of the '59n, added the sharp pick attack of the Jazz.

I'm still pushing the two-screw format as an overlooked tweakability format, not only to balance the inherent output among strings where you can adjust BOTH harmonic nodes, you can also change the p'ups general voicing by just installing it turned 180°.

If the voicing so requires it, I'm OK with using hex-screws. I'm 100% with a "form following function" p'up.

Why everything I'm writing feels like deja vu, uh?

HTH,

I kinda like that idea.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Forum design vote #6 (again)

Correct me if I'm wrong. I may be. Is the consensus that we're moving forward with the matching neck for the '59/C Hybrid bridge?