Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Ironjose

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Hey you guys, recently i played gig, last saturday... anyways i brought two guitars to the gig, a variax 500 and a peavey tracer...
well my problems is with the peavey tracer, it has a floyd rose trem, a H-S-S pup configuration, well the buzz i´m telling you is on the 22th fret in the first string, well when i played it normal it doesnt make any noise or buzz but when i do a bend the string makes an awful noise and the sound cuts... what should it be or what can i do about it?

JJ:gurmpy:
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

The 22nd fret is a strange place for the strings to fret out during a bend. Usually this happens when a neck has too little relief or too much back bow. This leaves a hump in the middle of the neck and the strings fret out as they slide across the radius of the neck. The 22nd fret is so high up the neck though that the neck relief doesn't usually effect the playability in that area. Your set-up is probably off though and you are most likely over compensating for too much relief with a bridge that is too low.

It's either that or you have a fret too high at either the 23rd or 24th fret.
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Most probably the latter as if it was too low an action (and the situation Robert describes is very common) then you would notice the fretting out from the 12th fret on.

There is a phenomenon called a rising tongue where the fingerboard absorbs moisture and swells causing the datum plane of the frets to curl up at the end slightly, however most likely is that the fret is imperfectly seated at the centre of the fingerboard. This is very common.
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

the wierd thing is that the only string with the problem is the 1st one, coz the "b" string doesnt, talking on the same fret... and the other strings as well.
JJ
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Is the string hitting something on your guitar? Maybe the polepiece of one of your pickups? Lew
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Nah i´ve checked if the polepieces are touching the string, and no...
but thanx for asking?
JJ
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Ironjose said:
the wierd thing is that the only string with the problem is the 1st one, coz the "b" string doesnt, talking on the same fret... and the other strings as well.
JJ
If it only does it on the High E it could be classic case of a fret end lifting just a tad or, a possible defect from when the guitar was fretted.
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

well i guess the guitar has never ben re-fretted... the previously owner never really played it well, he told me that he took the guitar to a shop and i think they screw the floyd´s saddles... they mixed up the saddles i guess that they touch the frets too, but i´m only guessing...
i was playing the guitar this morning and playing on the high E string but on the 23 and the 24th fret and the guitar didnt buzz at all... i´m getting a little tired of the situation...
JJ
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Its your neck man, I had a problem with my strings buzzing on the 22nd fret on my RR3. I adjusted the truss rod counter clockwise to remove some of the dip it dosen't do it as bad.

You just got to work with the truss rod. Fixed my problem, but I'm no pro at this stuff.

Best of luck to ya.
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Ironjose, I always go for the obvious and the easy first. It's cheaper that way. I handle quite a few quitars and the 2 problems I most often see are bad pots/switches (moving parts) and poor set-ups. Far rarer is the bad fret, twisted neck, high end repair type job that most folks fear. Usually I can get a guitar playable with just a couple of wrenches and the occasional screw driver.

Floyds are usually radiused at the factory and shims are often set under the saddles to tweak them in. If someone messed with the factory set-up you need to check the radius first. You can eyeball it but radius guides are helpful. If someone removed the shim from under the 1st string E to lower the action a hair, that would explain the fretting out at the 22nd fret while bending. This can also indicate that the 23rd fret is high (possible) or the 22nd fret is low (less likely but possible) but the guitar may still be made playable withing spec with a proper set-up.

Look down the neck/fretboard from the headstock to the bridge. The strings should have a slight curve or radius. If the 1st string is noticeably lower out of that curve or if the saddles look saw toothed instead of following a gentle curve you probably have a radius issue. That needs to be corrected first.

After that you need to set your neck relief. I never set up my necks perfectly flat and I always leave just a hair of relief in them. Hold down the first fret and the last fret with your hands at the same time on the 6th string. If the string is laying on the frets with no clearance then you need to loosen the truss rod just enough to get the string off of the frets. I usually look bewteen the 9th and 12th frets for a gap and then tap the string and listen for a very slight click. That click means the string is not laying on the frets and the neck isn't back bowed.

Once the neck is flat or darn close you can run a straight edge up the frets. I use a steel 6" ruler or an automotive feeler guage and I look for high frets by seeing if the straight edge rocks over one fret in particular. Low frets need to be visually inspected as the straight edge wont rock over them.

If you have a high fret you may want to have the neck leveled but you may be able to set-up around it. It really depends on how far it is off. Often a guitar with a poor set-up will buzz in a certain area first. Frets do move around a little after the guitar is made but often it isn't enough to casue problems unless the set-upp is really off and once the guitar is within spec the problem goes away. If you are going for super low action though you need a tight fret job.

After your radius and neck relief is correct set the bridge height. I usually like 1/16" to 3/32 at the 12th fret but I don't like fret rattle. Some players try to compensate poor technique with super low action but laying the strings down too far kills tone, playability and sustain.

Without seeing the guitar I'm guessing that set-up is a far bigger issue than the actual fret but it's only a guess based on what I normally see. Here in the U.S. a fret level and set-up is around $100 and usually a little more for a Floyd loaded guitar because they are a pain to work on. Well, maybe not a pain once you get used to them but they do require more work if they need a set-up and radius job, especially if the shims are missing.

If you can't do this work yourself, find a tech that has good references.
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Ok, thanx Robert for your truly and specfull comentary, i´ve recently come up with a conclution here in my country we "DO NOT" have specialized people for a work like that !!! its so sad because here we have many outstanding players who need works like re-fretting, a perfect neck setup or simply to put a nice pup... since the lack of people i have take action with my own hands... when i bought my SD´s pups i went to the store where i usually buy strings from... they have a tech guy which he isnt bad but he´s no expert... anyways i took my guitar to the store and told this guy to set it like a gibson type H-H pup configuration, my guitar has a h-s-h pup config, so i wanted to eliminate the middle pup from the pup selector and only use the bridge and neck... and he did it, but when i was rehearsing i had many hum noise only a single coil would do... the 60 cycle hum... well when i got back to my home and opened the back plate he soldier the wrong cable, he had mixed up the colors he took the red cable as the hot one and not the black one like the pup manual says... well i had to fix it myself and then it didnt do any noise i have taken the law with my hands... i was so proud and since i have always set up my guitars...
well when i bought this guitar i fixed the floyd´s saddles and line them as the neck radius is... and it didnt make any trouble until now but i dont know how or why... i guess that i have to take a look at the neck relief... but what i do know is that the floyd is ok... i guess...
JJ
 
Re: Fret Buzz on the 22th fret... Weird One

Good post Robert.

I'm surprised you have so much dificulty foinding a skilled tech in Guatemala Jose, i would've thought Latin America to be teeming with skilled makers...
 
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