Friedman Brown Eye vs Peavey invective vs Victory Super Kraken

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Im trying to get a general idea of the differences in gain structure between these 3. I recently got a BE-OD and it sounds amazing, its basically the sound thats been in my head forever but with the limitations of a solid state distortion pedal. I don't want to shell out the cash for a be-100, id be getting the synergy version. Im basically trying to figure out how close the tones of the peavey invective and the gain 2 channel of the super kraken are to the brown eye. The 2 main tones im after are the rhythm tone on periphery 3, catalyst/centred by dorje, and the track "infantile" by toska. Thoughts?
 
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Let me save you time, frustration, and money. Save your pennies until you find a used BE-100. There is no other amp that is "close" and I have had most.
 
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Ayrton said:
Let me save you time, frustration, and money. Save your pennies until you find a used BE-100. There is no other amp that is "close" and I have had most.
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any kraken or invective experience?
 
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dxlxntxxlxr said:
any kraken or invective experience?
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Never even heard of them to perfectly frank. Believe me, Dave Friedman has been my amp guy for years and if others could do what he does, they would have done it.
 
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So, one shouldn't even bother running a BE into something like a Power stage..

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I briefly played the Invective at NAMM. The Peavey rep told me it was basically a block letters 5150. The Invective has some cool features, like (essentially) a built-in Tube Screamer, 2 effects loops, and a very flexible footswitch array to switch channels and effects on and off.

It is also really expensive, but if you're looking at (used) BE amps, then you're already in the neighborhood.

Demanic said:
So, one shouldn't even bother running a BE into something like a Power stage..
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I think that would be worth the bother. One of the guitarists in Pallbearer currently uses the BE-OD into a Roland JC as his main live drive tone.
 
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I’ll put my Quickrod up against any amp out there....
 
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heard a lot about it, whats so special about it?
 
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Never played a Friedman. My loss.....but the reputation is outstanding

The Invite sounds pretty darn cool!

I'll give Kraken the name win...
 
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The Invite?
 
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dxlxntxxlxr said:
Im trying to get a general idea of the differences in gain structure between these two. I recently got a BE-OD and it sounds amazing, its basically the sound thats been in my head forever but with the limitations of a solid state distortion pedal. I don't want to shell out the cash for a be-100, id be getting the synergy version. Im basically trying to figure out how close the tones of the peavey invective and the gain 2 channel of the super kraken are to the brown eye. The 2 main tones im after are the rhythm tone on periphery 3, catalyst/centred by dorje, and the track "infantile" by toska. Thoughts?
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I have used the Kraken and owned a BE100. Great amps but, to be honest, when I plugged into a Suhr PT-100 I sold my BE100 and haven't looked back. You may want to give the Suhr a shot.

But given the amps you listed I would go with the BE, it just has that thing that makes guitars sound so cool and has just enough gain to make you happy. I have never used the peavey but the impression I get is that it is a super high gain thing and the demos I'v eheard were fizzy.
 
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Archer_of_Fish said:
I have used the Kraken and owned a BE100. Great amps but, to be honest, when I plugged into a Suhr PT-100 I sold my BE100 and haven't looked back. You may want to give the Suhr a shot.

But given the amps you listed I would go with the BE, it just has that thing that makes guitars sound so cool and has just enough gain to make you happy. I have never used the peavey but the impression I get is that it is a super high gain thing and the demos I'v eheard were fizzy.
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not interested in the suhr or the actual be-100 amp cause of the price being a bit outrageous.
 
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The Invective is a 5150 with a built-in Tube Screamer and noise gate.

The BE is a modded Marshall. Brighter than most Bogners, darker than a QR.

The Kraken is supposed to sound something like a 5150 III, but really just sounds awful.

Most of the tones you've listed aren't in modded Marshall territory. I'd go Invective of those three, but you'd be better off by just finding a 6505 and putting a TS-9 in front of it. Same sound, a lot less money.
 
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Cynical said:
you'd be better off by just finding a 6505 and putting a TS-9 in front of it. Same sound, a lot less money.
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Ditto

I had to look up the bands the OP listed and if that is the sound he is after, a BE-100 would be a waste. You can get the brootz out of one easy, but it is capable of so much more.

A 6505 with a boost and done.
 
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ive got no interest in the 6505 because no power soak, no clean channel. Misha says they altered the block letter (5150 mark 1 not 3) sound to fix some issues. periphery also uses super pristine clean stuff, which all of those amps can do but the 6505 cant. Im also not really lookin into a be-100 cause of the price. I was looking at the synergy system (standalone preamp modules and ****). They worked with dave to get the sounds right, i just put brown eye in the title cause thats what theyre based on and theyre really damn close. all those tones seem to be in modded marshall territory tho given the amps used
 
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dxlxntxxlxr said:
ive got no interest in the 6505 because no power soak, no clean channel. Misha says they altered the block letter (5150 mark 1 not 3) sound to fix some issues. periphery also uses super pristine clean stuff, which all of those amps can do but the 6505 cant. Im also not really lookin into a be-100 cause of the price. I was looking at the synergy system (standalone preamp modules and ****). They worked with dave to get the sounds right, i just put brown eye in the title cause thats what theyre based on and theyre really damn close. all those tones seem to be in modded marshall territory tho given the amps used
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Do you already have an amp with a good clean? If so, 6505 + TS9, existing amp with good clean, ABY splitter. Done. Maybe an ISP G-String for the 6505 to control hiss a bit when you're playing the clean amp.

You're not looking for something in the modded Marshall school, and the Kraken doesn't have a good clean channel anyways. Or a good distorted channel, for that matter.

You don't need a power soak. Any transparent pedal in the loop that lets you control the level will do fine. So will the 6505 post-gain knob as long as you're not trying to go all the way down to "TV volumes".
 
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Theres still the issue of no power soak option on the 6505. and the 6505 is based on a modded plexi. I also said super kraken not regular kraken, super kraken has a clean channel. My ironheart has a good clean but its also 15 watts as opposed to the 120 of a 6505 so that might cause issues.
 
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What sort of budget are we working with?
 
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You don't need a power soak for a 6505. That's Peavey seeing the trend of low-watt amps and trying to say "hey, we can do that too!" A 6505 runs a clean power amp, if the master volume is a problem at low-ish levels, just put a pedal in the loop, problem solved.

EDIT: BTW, I've got the 60 watt Ironheart, the Ironheart is more of the sound you're going for than either the Kraken or the Friedman.
 
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Ive found that the 6505 has to be up past 2 on the post gain to be usable. Im lookin for something thicker than the ironheart with a more aggressive yet smoother low-low mid grind with a touch more compression and usable gain. The gain on the irt is useless past 7, then it gets muddy and flubby. I kinda found that with the be-od which is y im looking at the friedman synergy stuff.
 
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