Friedman Brown Eye vs Peavey invective vs Victory Super Kraken

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Ive found that the 6505 has to be up past 2 on the post gain to be usable. Im lookin for something thicker than the ironheart with a more aggressive yet smoother low-low mid grind with a touch more compression and usable gain. The gain on the irt is useless past 7, then it gets muddy and flubby. I kinda found that with the be-od which is y im looking at the friedman synergy stuff.
If you need volume that low, a power soak isn't going to help you -- a power soak doesn't fix the issues with speakers at low volume. If you really need volumes that low, amp sims are your friend.

You can probably fix a lot of what you don't like about the Ironheart by combining the built-in boost with a TS-9 in front. Built-in boost is linear, but the hump of a TS-9 makes that a lot more usable.
 
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If you know you want something, and you try to settle for something similar, you'll still want the one you know you want.

Signed, a dude with 6 vintage tube amps who just got his Holy Grail and is no longer shopping for amps.

P.S. get the Friedman
 
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I'm one of those who knows that they'll never be able to afford to spend even a grand on one piece of equipment at one time. Payments, maybe.
But anyway,.. I appreciate those that can and do. I also appreciate those who make do with less, and still sound good.
Skoal!

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Re: Friedman Brown Eye vs Peavey invective vs Victory Super Kraken

If you know you want something, and you try to settle for something similar, you'll still want the one you know you want.

Signed, a dude with 6 vintage tube amps who just got his Holy Grail and is no longer shopping for amps.

P.S. get the Friedman

Whad cha get. :D
 
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If you need volume that low, a power soak isn't going to help you -- a power soak doesn't fix the issues with speakers at low volume. If you really need volumes that low, amp sims are your friend.

You can probably fix a lot of what you don't like about the Ironheart by combining the built-in boost with a TS-9 in front. Built-in boost is linear, but the hump of a TS-9 makes that a lot more usable.

I've tried everything it still doesn't rly do what I want. The 15 watt setting even works at low volume I just need to get the amp to 20 watts ish. I can't stand most amp Sims to be honest
 
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I've tried everything it still doesn't rly do what I want. The 15 watt setting even works at low volume I just need to get the amp to 20 watts ish. I can't stand most amp Sims to be honest
20 watts is barely louder than 15 watts (to put it into perspective, the difference between 50 watts and 100 watts is 3db). I'm not certain what your use case here is (I can't imagine a situation that doesn't involve a drummer or an unmic'd gig at a larger venue where 15 watts wouldn't be enough volume, and for a situation like that, you need at least 50 watts), but no Friedman amp is going to get you more usable gain than an Ironheart. They're not that kind of an amp.

And the Synergy stuff sure as hell won't get you there, with only 2 12AX7 tubes. That's half the number of gain stages that your Ironheart has.

EDIT: If you've got Invective cash, and really don't want a 5150, consider a used Uberschall or Twin Jet. Around the same price as a new Invective (and you're not finding a used Invective, with how badly Peavey has botched the supply chain...), great master volume knob.
 
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R u implying that the be-od has more far more gain than the hbe channel? Periphery used the hbe axefx model on p3 and it sounds thick and gainy as all hell. And all i was saying about wattage is that a 120 watt 6505 doesnt work at bedroom levels. i need to get it down below 50 or around to work well. I just find the ironheart to be a bit weak in certain applications as all the channels are super dynamic. Also, the synergy one has 3 12ax7s, 2 in the module one in the enclosure.
 
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I haven't used the BE-OD, but I have heard the real amp, and it doesn't have much more gain than a JCM 800 2203. Based on the samples on EytschPi's channel, the Synergy module has no more than the real amp, possibly even a bit less.

My Ironheart experience is only with the big heads (I've got the 60 watt, a friend has the 120 watt), but if the 15 watt is anything like those, not being able to get enough gain out of it is user error. Play with the channel volume knobs, they're critical for voicing that amp. It *is* a fairly dry amp, but using either the built-in boost, a fuller OD pedal like a Fulltone OCV, or even a combination of the built-in boost + TS-9 can thicken it right up.

https://soundcloud.com/user848864560/ab-test -- the second of the samples is the real one, quad-tracked and recorded on my Ironheart through a Marshall 4x12. If you need more gain than that... I don't know what to say.

EDIT: Found a demo of the BE-OD, it's got WAAAAAY more gain than the amp does judging from these. The amp really doesn't sound like that, at all.
 
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The issue with the ironheart for me is the dynamicness of it not a lack of gain. Im using bkp juggernauts 99% of the time and those are super dynamic as well. Not a fantastic pairing with the irt. Im more willing to give up the irt than the juggernauts so im looking at amps.
 
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If you're looking for dynamics, turn the gain down (also, turn channel volume down and watts up). Distortion always compresses. There's no such thing as a lot of distortion and a lot of dynamics.
 
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I haven't used the BE-OD, but I have heard the real amp, and it doesn't have much more gain than a JCM 800 2203.

I am sorry, but that is not true at all. I own a couple of KS Marshalls from Dave and a BE-100.
 
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If you're looking for dynamics, turn the gain down (also, turn channel volume down and watts up). Distortion always compresses. There's no such thing as a lot of distortion and a lot of dynamics.

im looking to decrease not increase dynamics
 
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That being said, Dave can voice the amp to as much gain as you want. You have the BE, C45, HBE, and JBE levels of gain. Plenty of heavy videos out there with players getting those tones with one of Dave's amps.
 
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I am sorry, but that is not true at all. I own a couple of KS Marshalls from Dave and a BE-100.

Yup...I own a 2204 and I had the opportunity to play both a BE-100
and an SS-100 at Brad King’s shop a couple of years ago ( his shop wasn’t far from where I live). The Friedman has PLENTY of gain on tap. Way more than my Marshall does, thats for sure.
 
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Brad King!

That's a name I haven't heard in a while
 
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Brad King!

That's a name I haven't heard in a while

Yeah! He had a shop here in Rhode Island a few years back and he had some amazing gear....
That’s where I got to play the Friedman’s as well as a ‘68 Plexi, which was an amazing amp. He let me turn it up fairly loud too!
I bought a one of a kind Friedman amp from him too. It was a Marshall bluesbreaker that he gutted and installed his own circuit in. I ended up selling it...sounded great,just wasn’t for me.

And then, we all know the rest of the story with him...
 
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Everyone's ears an tastes are different. But until you've plugged into a real BE-100 (or 50 Deluxe)... you haven't experienced a BE. Yes, the BE-OD gives you a taste (I actually prefer the Dirty Shirley pedal). And the new BE/HBE models in the Line 6 Helix give you the taste as well. Having had five Friedman amps, both of those Friedman pedals, and the Helix with the new firmware, I can attest to the truthfulness of all of that.

But the real BE-100 is the best amp I've ever had, and I've had a lot. For the brootalz, it'll go plenty brutal. It's tight, but not so dry as my VHT UL was. WAY less sterile than my Powerball II was. WAY more gain than my 2203X had. Less dark and more Marshall than my Elmwood M60. More sparkle than my Quickrod, and able to roll off the volume on the guitar far better. More mojo than the Bogner Shiva, XTC, and Uberschall Twin Jet that I had. Getting the picture? The BE may not be your thing, since high gain seems to be your primary concern. But I assure you that it will do high gain, and do it with so much more tonefulness than any Mesa, 6505, etc. The new BE-50 Deluxe is even more versatile, and has one of the best glassy clean channels that I've ever heard.

Regarding your desire to come in at less than BE prices... I have sitting on top of my 2015 spec BE-100, a Wildwood Edition Pink Taco. It's a beast. It's 20 very big sounding watts and is basically the little brother to the BE-100, without the clean and BE channels. It's more of just an HBE channel, that you can make all kinds of tonal alterations to via the switches and tone knobs. It's got loads of gain, though in your case it may need something like an OCD or whatever to just push it over the top. It seems as big and loud sounding as my BE-100. Which is why I plug into the WWT every day instead of the BE. The BE isn't going anywhere, because when I do plug into it, I'm still amazed every time. But that Taco is nearly as amazing. I never thought that I would hear a lunchbox-sized head sound as big as the Mini Dirty Shirley, but the WW Taco does... and it does it in a much tighter, more modern-sounding way.

I've got a close friend and great player who has been a 6505 guy for years. He's recorded and gigged them for two decades. He plugged-into a Friedman Smallbox last year and immediately dumped his 6505s. He said that he just didn't realize how good the Friedman sound is until he experienced it himself.

Anyways... everyone's different and it may just not be your thing. But unless you've plugged into one of Dave's amps and turned it up a little and played, then you've never really experienced his magic.
 
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