Full shreds and pole pieces

With shorter pole peices inductance decreases, magnetic flux on top of the pole pieces increases. That's why what you have mentioned are true.
There's more than flux strenght changes behind all that IME. :-)

OP mentions that the attack "feels faster". According to our experiments here, this specific feature is definitively due to less eddy currents (whose presence causes what users feel as "compression": Foucault currents limit the amplitude of transients but also make them slower).

Now, about variations of flux strength over settable pole pieces, there's indeed a world to explore... It's funny to screw / unscrew a pole piece and to see how using a screwdriver can affect magnetism (in the same time than inductance)... ;-)
 
There's more than flux strenght changes behind all that IME. :-)

OP mentions that the attack "feels faster". According to our experiments here, this specific feature is definitively due to less eddy currents (whose presence causes what users feel as "compression": Foucault currents limit the amplitude of transients but also make them slower).

Now, about variations of flux strength over settable pole pieces, there's indeed a world to explore... It's funny to screw / unscrew a pole piece and to see how using a screwdriver can affect magnetism (in the same time than inductance)... ;-)
I'm a little embarrassed to say . . . I don't think I've ever adjusted a pole piece. I wonder how many pickups I didn't like that could have been "fixed" with 2 seconds and a screwdriver. (The tool. Not the drink.)
 
This is great insight. I do like the Full Shred in the bridge for how percussive the attack is, and very defined (I wouldn't say any brighter than the Custom line). I've always fought with the FS neck, though. I prefer the Jazz or 59n depending on the guitar. I have always suspected that the pole lengths had an impact.
 
Yesterday i made en experiment with my Duncan Full Shred. I measured the top of a one sample pole piece which was ~300G. I replaced it with another hex that's longer and the final magnetic flux density decreased ~260G. Then i cut that pole piece and make it shorter than the original full shred hex and saw it increased to ~340G.

With shorter pole peices inductance decreases, magnetic flux on top of the pole pieces increases. That's why what you have mentioned are true.

BTW, the manufacturer of Seymour Duncan pole pieces is Fang Sheng Screw (YFS) from Taiwan. So if you like to find replacements, the brand you must find is YFS


YFS are used for the black poles, but if you order gold or nickel, they aren't branded YFS.

Full Shred = Custom 5 with 1/2" hex poles.

If you actually want PAF EQ, take a custom, put 1/2" fillisters in, or take a full shred and put a ceramic magnet in. The ceramic mag and short poles give the high end PAF bite while removing the boomy, bloated low end typical of high wind pickups.
 
YFS are used for the black poles, but if you order gold or nickel, they aren't branded YFS.

Full Shred = Custom 5 with 1/2" hex poles.

If you actually want PAF EQ, take a custom, put 1/2" fillisters in, or take a full shred and put a ceramic magnet in. The ceramic mag and short poles give the high end PAF bite while removing the boomy, bloated low end typical of high wind pickups.
Interesting. I really did not like the Custom 5 at all, 2nd least favorite Duncan I've tried after the Exciter. I do really like the Full Shred and will definitely be keeping one in the stable.
 
Yesterday i made en experiment with my Duncan Full Shred. I measured the top of a one sample pole piece which was ~300G. I replaced it with another hex that's longer and the final magnetic flux density decreased ~260G. Then i cut that pole piece and make it shorter than the original full shred hex and saw it increased to ~340G.

With shorter pole peices inductance decreases, magnetic flux on top of the pole pieces increases. That's why what you have mentioned are true.

BTW, the manufacturer of Seymour Duncan pole pieces is Fang Sheng Screw (YFS) from Taiwan. So if you like to find replacements, the brand you must find is YFS
So, less inductance means lower power, but since the short screws project/reflect/whatever more magnetic field upwards, there is more power generated from the strings?
Your gauss readings prove that, no?
 
YFS are used for the black poles, but if you order gold or nickel, they aren't branded YFS.

Full Shred = Custom 5 with 1/2" hex poles.

If you actually want PAF EQ, take a custom, put 1/2" fillisters in, or take a full shred and put a ceramic magnet in. The ceramic mag and short poles give the high end PAF bite while removing the boomy, bloated low end typical of high wind pickups.
Dude, you are like dr Frankenstein when it comes to pickups!

I may have to try this out.

Does this ring true for both neck and bridge?

Are there different strength ceramic mags available?
 
Dude, you are like dr Frankenstein when it comes to pickups!

I may have to try this out.

Does this ring true for both neck and bridge?

Are there different strength ceramic mags available?

No, just bridge.

Here's the trick for the full shred neck, same works on jazz neck since it's the same coils. I hate muddy neck buckers, especially the low strings. Both FS and jazz are naturally airy on top, moreso than any other commercially available standard humbucker, so they are the best candidates for this. Trick is: remove 3 poles under the bass strings on the neck side coil.

For FS neck, you can get 316 stainless 5-40 x 1/2" hex poles and put them in as dummies where the bass string poles were, since that alloy is essentially non magnetic. FS can install either direction, so you can split to whichever coil you have a full 6 poles in.

For Jazz neck, I install screws toward bridge. Remove 3 slugs under the bass strings. If it has a cover, this is invisible. If it doesn't, mcmaster carr sells plastic slugs that are exactly the size of humbucker slugs. Put 3 in, get a silver sharpy, no one will notice.

On both, once you do the mod, adjust the pole pieces on the coil with all 6 magnetic poles for even string output.

Boom. Airy, touch sensitive, articulate high strings, non muddy low strings.

The only other humbucker I use is a fralin twangmaster I have specially wound, with special A5 magnets for low string pull. It's essentially a noiseless Z coil that sounds like a big strat pickup but matches well volume wise with a paf bridge.
 
Interesting. I really did not like the Custom 5 at all, 2nd least favorite Duncan I've tried after the Exciter. I do really like the Full Shred and will definitely be keeping one in the stable.

Interesting. I really did not like the Custom 5 at all, 2nd least favorite Duncan I've tried after the Exciter. I do really like the Full Shred and will definitely be keeping one in the stable.

Pole pieces make a very big difference. Removing bloating low end in a signal chain, whether in a pickup or the gain staging in an amp or pedal chain makes a huge difference in tone, feel/touch sensitivity, and "sing"

C5 has a huge amount of low end. Short poles fix that. Both C5 and FS are dark compared to a PAF. Ceramic fixes that.
 
YFS are used for the black poles, but if you order gold or nickel, they aren't branded YFS.

Full Shred = Custom 5 with 1/2" hex poles.

If you actually want PAF EQ, take a custom, put 1/2" fillisters in, or take a full shred and put a ceramic magnet in. The ceramic mag and short poles give the high end PAF bite while removing the boomy, bloated low end typical of high wind pickups.
I have nickel and they are YFS branded on the surfaces ;)
 
So, less inductance means lower power, but since the short screws project/reflect/whatever more magnetic field upwards, there is more power generated from the strings?
Your gauss readings prove that, no?
Less inductance = lower power? Not everytime. BW bridge has 6.03H but it was really powerful. Just like Steve Morse Bridge has 5.60H yet it is louder even than Super Distortion. On the contrary Air Zone has 8.42H have less power than the rest. It is not just the magnetic flux density because singles have much more gauss under the strings. I believe there is a combination that creates the power of the pickup. Magnetic power and inductance.
 
Less inductance = lower power? Not everytime. BW bridge has 6.03H but it was really powerful. Just like Steve Morse Bridge has 5.60H yet it is louder even than Super Distortion. On the contrary Air Zone has 8.42H have less power than the rest. It is not just the magnetic flux density because singles have much more gauss under the strings. I believe there is a combination that creates the power of the pickup. Magnetic power and inductance.
I meant magnet strength removed as a variable.

Same magnet, same wind, only different length poles
 
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