g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

[KLINKDETROIT]

I was wondering what the best match was for versatility and for some real low heavy music in A with 7 strings. I have a Mesa 4x1`2 with 2 v30s and 2 g12k100 speakers. I am going to buy 2 g12h30 speakers and want to know what the best combination is???

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

Keep the V30's, After trying it I am sold on the V30's and G12H30's in an X-pattern. best of both worlds. Only thing to consider is the total watts, the G12H30's are only 30 watts so a 4x12 can only handle 4x30=120 watts (less than that really, to be safe).

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

G12H30 and Vintage 30. They compliment each other beautifully.

 

[KLINKDETROIT]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

What about the annoying brittle crap from the v30s? Does the other g12h30s cancel it out? Have you ever tried the v30s on the bottom and the g12h30s on top? I have the weber beam blockers on the v30s and it helps but not sure if I just need a different speaker? I was checking out the governor but confused a little at this point. I do like the vocal vibe from the v30 but it over accentuates my Mesa Rectifiers bandsaw frequency. I had the amp Voodoo modded and the gain is better than before as far as the bees in a can type gain so it is not as harsh as a stock rectifier. I still however want to hear more of a greenback sound mixed with a v30 and thats why I was interested in the g12h30 but worried about its low watts for 7 strings and downtuning. I only play my volume around 4 or 5 though with the 100 watt head.

 

[75lespaul]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

I play mostly "classic" rock but I do lower the E to D for some stuff like Unchained by VH or if I want to shred a little. The V30/G12H30 combo gives me the sound I've been looking for my whole life (I'm 41) and as long as you don't use more watts than they can handle, they should be fine. The distortion I get now is very creamy and is just perfect for blues,rock and metal. Now to my ears this combo sounds great for modern metal also but I've never used a seven string. Hope this helps.

I guess the only way to tell is buy them or maybe you know someone willing to pull them from a cab for you to try? :smoker: :cool3:

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

I play mostly "classic" rock but I do lower the E to D for some stuff like Unchained by VH or if I want to shred a little. The V30/G12H30 combo gives me the sound I've been looking for my whole life (I'm 41) and as long as you don't use more watts than they can handle, they should be fine. The distortion I get now is very creamy and is just perfect for blues,rock and metal. Now to my ears this combo sounds great for modern metal also but I've never used a seven string. Hope this helps.

I guess the only way to tell is buy them or maybe you know someone willing to pull them from a cab for you to try? :smoker: :cool3:

They'll handle 100 watts easy. And they do compliment each other beautifully, like I said. The G12H30 fills in some bass and mids and smooths the bright treble of the V30 and the V30 adds a little plucky clarity and definition to the G12H30. I feel the same as you do: it's the best 12" speaker combo I've ever used.

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

What about the annoying brittle crap from the v30s? Does the other g12h30s cancel it out? Have you ever tried the v30s on the bottom and the g12h30s on top? I have the weber beam blockers on the v30s and it helps but not sure if I just need a different speaker? I was checking out the governor but confused a little at this point. I do like the vocal vibe from the v30 but it over accentuates my Mesa Rectifiers bandsaw frequency. I had the amp Voodoo modded and the gain is better than before as far as the bees in a can type gain so it is not as harsh as a stock rectifier. I still however want to hear more of a greenback sound mixed with a v30 and thats why I was interested in the g12h30 but worried about its low watts for 7 strings and downtuning. I only play my volume around 4 or 5 though with the 100 watt head.

I never considered the V30 brittle, but I understand the bandsaw descreption. The V30 has a big mid spike, which is what makes it sound big and cuts through the mix nicely. But some can be annoyed by it. The G12H30 is smoother with bigger lows and more highs which fit and balance nicely with the V30's mids. Despite the name, I find the V30's not to sound vintage at all, but IMO they sound modern. The G12H30's are more vintage sounding. So not only is the combined EQ cool, but you'll get the modern, aggressive grind of the V30 at the same time as the more traditional smoothness of the G12H30. And I've only used an X-pattern as I couldn't decide if one set or the other would sound better on top or bottom. If you play a house that has a PA, you'll of course only be mic'ing one speaker, so you'll have to decide which one works best for that.

 

[Grandor]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

If I had a cab with 2 v30's (65watt) in it and 2 g12h30's (30watt) in it.
The total would be 190watts. So, I could run a 190watt head into it. Would all the speakers draw their neccisary power or just a quater of the total (47.5)?


Because in a few weeks my 85watt mark IV head and my avatar v30/g12h30 2x12 arrives (95watt).
Would one be louder than the other? Would one be more driven than the other?

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

If I had a cab with 2 v30's (65watt) in it and 2 g12h30's (30watt) in it.
The total would be 190watts. So, I could run a 190watt head into it. Would all the speakers draw their neccisary power or just a quater of the total (47.5)?


Because in a few weeks my 85watt mark IV head and my avatar v30/g12h30 2x12 arrives (95watt).
Would one be louder than the other? Would one be more driven than the other?

Neg, the load is distributed evenly amoung all 4 speakers, so you have to calculate the lowest speaker rating x 4. Even though the V30's would be well under their capabilities, the G12H30's are the weaker link, so all four could not exceded 30 watts each, 30 x 4 = 120 max. Your Avatar 2x12 V30/G12H30 is only going to be able to handle 60 watts max. The G12H30 cannot handle more than that.

That old cliche, "your only as strong as your weakest link" applies here.

 

[Grandor]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

Neg, the load is distributed evenly amoung all 4 speakers, so you have to calculate the lowest speaker rating x 4. Even though the V30's would be well under their capabilities, the G12H30's are the weaker link, so all four could not exceded 30 watts each, 30 x 4 = 120 max. Your Avatar 2x12 V30/G12H30 is only going to be able to handle 60 watts max. The G12H30 cannot handle more than that.

That old cliche, "your only as strong as your weakest link" applies here.

Awww ****.
So Can I run my mark IV into my avatar cab when it gets here?

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

Just a bit of trivia about the Vintage 30: Celestion's original concept was to bring back the G12 Alnico (the speakers used in the '64 Vox AC 30) in a ceramic magnet speaker. And that speaker was the Vintage 30. Hence the name "Vintage".

Until I knew that, I always thought the Vintage 30 name made no sense. It's rated for at least 60 watts, not just 30 and it's not a reissue of any particular vintage speaker.

But it is inspired by the vintage Celestion G12 Alnico used in the AC 30.

Lew

 

[Grandor]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

Just a bit of trivia about the Vintage 30: Celestion's original concept was to bring back the G12 Alnico (the speakers used in the '64 Vox AC 30) in a ceramic magnet speaker. And that speaker was the Vintage 30. Hence the name "Vintage".

Until I knew that, I always thought the Vintage 30 name made no sense. It's rated for at least 60 watts, not just 30 and it's not a reissue of any particular vintage speaker.

But it is inspired by the vintage Celestion G12 Alnico used in the AC 30.

Lew

:cool3:


- so anyone know about running a mark IV into a g12h30/v30.

 

[Quencho092]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

would 2 g12h30's be ok for a 40 watt amp? that's 30 watts each.

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

so anyone know about running a mark IV into a g12h30/v30.

I don't know what a MKIV runs, if its under 60 watts then yes. If its over 60 watts, no.

would 2 g12h30's be ok for a 40 watt amp? that's 30 watts each.

That's fine 30+30=60, so 40 being less than 60 is fine.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

would 2 g12h30's be ok for a 40 watt amp? that's 30 watts each.

Absolutely fine! Fender used to use two Jensen C12N's in the 80 watt Twin Reverb and 40 watt Pro Reverb and 40 watt Bassman. The Celestion G12H30's are much heartier speakers than the old Jensen C12N. Two would probably last forever in a 40 watt amp. Lew

 

[Scott_F]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

one of the guys here bought an avatar 2x12 closed backthat had this combo from me. it was a great cab. great combo.

 

[KLINKDETROIT]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

I was wondering what the best match was for versatility and for some real low heavy music in A with 7 strings. I have a Mesa 4x1`2 with 2 v30s and 2 g12k100 speakers. I am going to buy 2 g12h30 speakers and want to know what the best combination is???

So I gather that no one thinks the g12k100 will be a good match for the g12h30?
I like 2 of them with my 2 v30s but thought about replacing the v30s initially. Now I wonder if I can get the same low end from the g30s as the g12k100s? If so I may take everyones advice and mix the g12h30s and v30s. I just worry about the g12h30s being able to handle Les Pauls tuned to B or 7 strings tuned to A????????????????

 

[Grandor]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

Umm, you guys arent serious are you?

I cant run my 85watt mark IV into my new g12h30/v30 2x12 ???

 

[Quencho092]

Re: g12h30 mixed with v30 or g12h30 & g12k100

turned up it would not be safe...considering that amp ratings tend to be underdone. Your MarkIV probably peaks at over 95 watts.

two speakers at different wattage handling ratings still handle the same as the lowest-so you got 60 watts of range on the speakers. Not recommended unless you run an extension cab.