Gibson 500T - The ultimate Metal pickup for a Les Paul?

Rex_Rocker

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I've had that pickup on my Les Paul for a while. Love it. I've tried different pickups on that Les Paul just to see if I find something I like more. Nah. I keep coming back to the 500T.

But I recently got an LTD EC-400VF. I've tried a couple different pickups in it, and I've liked them, but I keep comparing them to my Gibson, and it just doesn't sound as good (to my liking). The LTD has a "thuddy" nature to the low-end that I keep fighting. It's to be expected. It doesn't have a Maple top and the bridge pickup is two or three mm further away from the bridge itself compared to the Gibson. I've been playing that guitar a lot lately because I really like how the neck feels. The Gibson not so much. So I figured I'd borrow the Gibson's 500T and put it in the LTD just as an experiment.

LOVE IT. It keeps the fat nature of the guitar, but adds that AGGRESSIVE pick attack that I hadn't been able to get from the Custom or the JB.

The 500T is a somewhat unique-sounding pickup. I know people here consider it interchangeable with the Duncan Distortion, but I disagree. It's got similarities with the Duncan Distortion, that's undeniable. But it's its own thing.

Comparing it to Duncans people are probably more familiar with, I'd say it has elements from the Distortion, the Black Winter, and the Custom. That's to be expected. It's 15K-ish with a triple ceramic magnet. AFAIK, it's 43AWG wire, so it's certainly not a clone of the Distortion. I feel it has a similar upper mid grind as the Distortion does, but it does have a more open top-end like the Custom as well. It has a similar characteristic raspy and strong attack as the Black Winter. It's leaner in the lows than the Distortion and the Custom. It's not as tight as the Black Winter, though. I'd say the low-end is the middle-ground between the Black Winter and the Distortion, but the top-end is more open and aggressive than either.

I find that the Gibson pickups I've tried have a similar thing going on where the low-end isn't huge and there is a lot of "rudeness" to the high-end (when comparing them with the Duncans that are sort of along the lines). It's super easy for the 500T to get harsh, but once you learn to tame it with the right pot values, it just translates into a tight-sounding pickup with lots of aggression and character. I run it with a single 250K volume in my Les Paul and a single 500K volume on LTD which has a tendency to make pickups sound fatter/smoother.

Overall, I think it's worth trying if you're into 90's or 2000's Metal sounds. As far as I know, it's a pickup that has made its way into Amon Amarth and Dark Tranquillity records. Very Swedish-sounding. It's a cool alternative to try if you're into those kind of tones.
 
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TBH, it's not difficult get it to sound harsh. I guess that's what people who hate it hate about it. I've never tried it in any tuning higher than Drop C#, but the "standard" 250K load (500K volume and tone) makes it sound fine in that tuning to me, at least in a Gibson-type. I'm not sure how it does in E Standard, but if people can make those Bill Lawrence pickups work, then this isn't any brighter. It's also amp-dependant. I use it with the Rectifier sim in my HX which is super thuddy and smooths out the attack. I'm not sure how this pickup would sound into my old 5150III or one of those more modern TS-types which have a stronger more defined attack, but I bet it would be fine as well. Dark Tranquillity and Amon Amarth used it into boosted 5150's, AFAIK.

I guess people who don't like high output pickups might have a problem with it too. It is SUPER HOT. It's slightly hotter than the Duncan Distortion, IME. It's not as hot as the X2N or Black Winter, but it's not far off behind either. For Black Winter fans, I'm sure they'd at the very least find this pickup usable if they tried it.

But that's me trying to justify people who hate on it. Ever since I tried, I knew I had stumbled into something cool. But then again, I am into those Gothenburg tones (which still have a hint of those nastier Stockholm sounds) more than I am into "prettier" Metal tones.
 
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Well, my story about the 500T is somewhat similar, yet ends differently

in 1996, I bought my first Gibson Les Paul, a 1988 Wine Red model. It originally had the Bill Lawrence Circuit Board pickups in it and the original owner swapped them to a JB and APH1NJ. I didnt really care for the JB at the time (I later put that pickup into a Charvel Model 2) So I replaced it with a 500T in 1997/98 time frame. I LOVED the pickup swap.....Huge crunch, thick, awesome tone for solos and can chug thrash riffs for days!

Fast forward to about 2017. I had not played this guitar much for about 10 years. I decided to break it out. Frets were in really bad shape and it was super dirty. My impression at this time was that the 500T was very good, but somewhat muddy. Maybe it was the pots? in 2020, i had CTS 500K pots installed and still retained modern wiring. It sounded a tad brighter but still had quite a bit of roll off on the treble. I have recently kind of "out-grown" ceramic mag pickups, so im going to swap it to most likely a rare SH-9 Silverbird that I obtained a few years ago (I have one of these in a Strat and its incredible!).

To solidify my take on this pickup, in 2021, i bought a MIJ Epiphone Elite Standard Les paul that had EMG's put in. I had 50s wiring installed and a 500T/496R set installed. I got the guitar back and basically the same reaction....Great chugs, but again, I want something with some dynamics. 500T is not good for cleans IMO. I then replaced the 500T/496R with a SD Pegasus/Sentient set and it is AMAZING!

To add, i have a 1994 LP Studio Lite (blue just like Martin H from DT used to use) and it had a Duncan Custom 5 and WLH neck. I then put the 500T and 496R there where they belong! :)

So in summary, the 500T is GREAT for thrash/death metal, but needs to be in a bright guitar. My 1988 LPC is pretty dark, even with the modern wiring, so the 500T is not a good match.
 
The 500T is my absolute favorite Gibson pickup. :headbang:

At least you now know what that LTD has been missing!

I have the same opinion. If I think to a Gibson pick up the 500T is the first that comes in mind. My very first Gibson les paul was a 2003 classic with 496r/500t. I love their aggressive and raw power. The guitar has gone years ago, but I still have the pick up. I am thinking to get a flying and put the 500T in it
 
Well, my story about the 500T is somewhat similar, yet ends differently

in 1996, I bought my first Gibson Les Paul, a 1988 Wine Red model. It originally had the Bill Lawrence Circuit Board pickups in it and the original owner swapped them to a JB and APH1NJ. I didnt really care for the JB at the time (I later put that pickup into a Charvel Model 2) So I replaced it with a 500T in 1997/98 time frame. I LOVED the pickup swap.....Huge crunch, thick, awesome tone for solos and can chug thrash riffs for days!

Fast forward to about 2017. I had not played this guitar much for about 10 years. I decided to break it out. Frets were in really bad shape and it was super dirty. My impression at this time was that the 500T was very good, but somewhat muddy. Maybe it was the pots? in 2020, i had CTS 500K pots installed and still retained modern wiring. It sounded a tad brighter but still had quite a bit of roll off on the treble. I have recently kind of "out-grown" ceramic mag pickups, so im going to swap it to most likely a rare SH-9 Silverbird that I obtained a few years ago (I have one of these in a Strat and its incredible!).

To solidify my take on this pickup, in 2021, i bought a MIJ Epiphone Elite Standard Les paul that had EMG's put in. I had 50s wiring installed and a 500T/496R set installed. I got the guitar back and basically the same reaction....Great chugs, but again, I want something with some dynamics. 500T is not good for cleans IMO. I then replaced the 500T/496R with a SD Pegasus/Sentient set and it is AMAZING!

To add, i have a 1994 LP Studio Lite (blue just like Martin H from DT used to use) and it had a Duncan Custom 5 and WLH neck. I then put the 500T and 496R there where they belong! :)

So in summary, the 500T is GREAT for thrash/death metal, but needs to be in a bright guitar. My 1988 LPC is pretty dark, even with the modern wiring, so the 500T is not a good match.
Interesting experience.

I don't find my 500T dark whtasoever, but mine is from 2022. Don't know if they changed it somewhere down the line? I remember I used to have a 498T from the late 90's that I could swear had a roughcast magnet in it. I don't know if they still do? I don't think they do?
 
I have BBs in my Goldtop and would never remove them. Gibson has a ton of great pickups I don't know why they get trashed so much on the internet. I guarantee if they didn't have the Gibson name on them people would be snatching them up at record rates.
I think part of the reason for the hate is they're not priced as competitively. The 500T, for example, is one the lower priced ones, and it's still more expensive than either the Distortion or the Custom. While I do like it more than either, nothing makes it objectively better. It's not built better. It's not built with fancier materials.

Those Custombuckers, for example, I bet aren't built any better than Seth Lovers or with more accurate materials even, yet they cost like 300 bucks a piece.

But objectively speaking, I agree with you. They're as good pickups as any Duncan or DiMarzio.
 
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I dunno. It might be my favorite Gibson pickup. But in cross-vendor terms I really like the extra whack from the Duncan Distortion.

I think I made those tests in a Les Paul.
 
I dunno. It might be my favorite Gibson pickup. But in cross-vendor terms I really like the extra whack from the Duncan Distortion.

I think I made those tests in a Les Paul.
I haven't had the Duncan Distortion in a Les Paul ever, TBH. I have had it in my Strat, and in a couple of Ibanezes. I ought to try it, but I do know the Duncan Distortion is a bit fatter than the 500T, so not sure if I'd prefer it.
 
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I tried the Distortion in a midrangey LP that needed some bite, and it was ok but it didn't really bring the guitar to life. I have it in a Schecter SLS Elite now, and it's a better fit there.

I think LPs are too varied for there to be an ultimate bridge pickup, but I'm glad this swap worked out for you. I had a feeling. I really like Gibson pickups. Too bad they don't make 7 string versions.
 
The Bill Lawrence L500XL was a great, great pickup in an LP, but my favorite metalpickup for an LP by far, is the PATB1/PATB2 hybrid alnico 8. The thing is, I don't need the compression three ceramics give me. I need clarity, accuracy, and attack, and that pickup delivered.
 
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