Gibson alternatives?
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kherman
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Re: Gibson alternatives?
Look at it.
What a shame.
BODY : (top) Hard Maple
(back) Honduras Mahogany
NECK : Honduras Mahogany
FINGERBOARD : Honduras Rosewood , 22frets
SCALE : 24.75 inch
NUT (width) : Bone (1.6875 inch)
FRET : #213
JOINT : Set-neck (deep joint)
PICKUPS : (Front) Seymour Duncan SH-55n
(Rear) Seymour Duncan SH-55b
CONTROL : Front Volume & Tone
Rear Volume & Tone
Toggle PU Selector
BRIDGE : Vintage type TUNE-MATIC
Aluminum Tailpiece
FINISH : Lacquer
All that,
but it can't pull off a LP tone because it doesn't say Gibson on the headstock and wasn't built in Tennessee.
Go figure!
Kent
Look at it.
What a shame.
BODY : (top) Hard Maple
(back) Honduras Mahogany
NECK : Honduras Mahogany
FINGERBOARD : Honduras Rosewood , 22frets
SCALE : 24.75 inch
NUT (width) : Bone (1.6875 inch)
FRET : #213
JOINT : Set-neck (deep joint)
PICKUPS : (Front) Seymour Duncan SH-55n
(Rear) Seymour Duncan SH-55b
CONTROL : Front Volume & Tone
Rear Volume & Tone
Toggle PU Selector
BRIDGE : Vintage type TUNE-MATIC
Aluminum Tailpiece
FINISH : Lacquer
All that,
but it can't pull off a LP tone because it doesn't say Gibson on the headstock and wasn't built in Tennessee.
Go figure!
Kent
kherman
New member
Re: Gibson alternatives?
Another poor sap.
Body/"AAAA" Flame hard maple top : Honduras Mahogany One piece back
Neck/Honduras Mahogany One piece "Deep joint"
Fingerboard/Jacaranda(Brazilian rosewood)
Pickups/Duncan SH-55
Finish/ALL Lacquer
Color/Cherry_sunburst/Violin_finish
Other/CTS pot, Aluminum Tailpieces, Oil condenser, Pick-guard is included.
A case is included.
Made in Japan.
Don't they get it.
They will never have THE tone.
Not their fault. They were just born in the wrong place.
Kent
Another poor sap.
Body/"AAAA" Flame hard maple top : Honduras Mahogany One piece back
Neck/Honduras Mahogany One piece "Deep joint"
Fingerboard/Jacaranda(Brazilian rosewood)
Pickups/Duncan SH-55
Finish/ALL Lacquer
Color/Cherry_sunburst/Violin_finish
Other/CTS pot, Aluminum Tailpieces, Oil condenser, Pick-guard is included.
A case is included.
Made in Japan.
Don't they get it.
They will never have THE tone.
Not their fault. They were just born in the wrong place.
Kent
krankguitarist
Krankitupologist
Re: Gibson alternatives?
What does everyone here think of heritage guitars?
What does everyone here think of heritage guitars?
Re: Gibson alternatives?
Subject the hard core Gibson LP guys to a blindfold test!! Blindfold them, sit them in a room and play different guitars through the same amp. I bet they can't tell the difference between a Jap LP and the 'real deal'. Anyway, its not the name on the headstock that matters, its the quality of workmanship and the attention to detail that makes a world of difference. These two things are coincidently what Jap luthiers are well known for.
Subject the hard core Gibson LP guys to a blindfold test!! Blindfold them, sit them in a room and play different guitars through the same amp. I bet they can't tell the difference between a Jap LP and the 'real deal'. Anyway, its not the name on the headstock that matters, its the quality of workmanship and the attention to detail that makes a world of difference. These two things are coincidently what Jap luthiers are well known for.
kherman
New member
Re: Gibson alternatives?
Agreed, Vincent.
But, you should use Japan or Japanese.
The J word is like saying the N word.
Not considered too nice of a word.
I know you most likely ment it as an abbreviation.
But, it has a negative meaning going back to and even before world war II.
Just a FYI.
Lot of us just use MIJ (made in Japan) when refering to our MIJ guitars.
Kent
Vincent said:
Agreed, Vincent.
But, you should use Japan or Japanese.
The J word is like saying the N word.
Not considered too nice of a word.
I know you most likely ment it as an abbreviation.
But, it has a negative meaning going back to and even before world war II.
Just a FYI.
Lot of us just use MIJ (made in Japan) when refering to our MIJ guitars.
Kent
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That90'sGuy
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Re: Gibson alternatives?
There are plenty of variations, but the holy grail I think most people lean towards is the '59 Les Paul. I never said every Gibson sounds the same. I also didn't say that Hamer couldn't get in that spectrum somewhere, you put those words in my mouth. Hamers will NOT sound exactly like a Gibson. You will get similar vibes because of the wood combination, but the dimensions are different and you will get a different end tone.
Gibson has its share of duds and it's easy to knock them (especially people that actually love them and feel they're worth the money, even today), but when you find one that was made on a good day and the quality is right, it will blow away even the boutique stuff.
I have a mahogany/maple top Epiphone Les Paul with a mahogany/rosewood neck. Why is it that it that with the same general body shape, it doesn't sound exactly like a Gibson Les Paul? That is why if I want the real thing, I will save up the money for it.
Wasn't it Xeromus that was posting for a while about how his ESPs could rival any Gibson? Funny how he played a Gothic LP and started talking about how incredible it sounded and how he wants one afterwards. This is no "fairy dust" some people ACTUALLY like the way they sound.
A lot of different brands have different "takes" on the Les Paul design. I loved the PRS Singlecut, but because the dimensions weren't the same, it didn't sound exactly like one (not that it mattered, because it was an amazing guitar by itself). You can get a lot of guitars that will sound "in the ballpark" for cheaper, but when it comes down to chasing that exact tone, you'll want something built with the right specs and materials.
kherman said:
There are plenty of variations, but the holy grail I think most people lean towards is the '59 Les Paul. I never said every Gibson sounds the same. I also didn't say that Hamer couldn't get in that spectrum somewhere, you put those words in my mouth. Hamers will NOT sound exactly like a Gibson. You will get similar vibes because of the wood combination, but the dimensions are different and you will get a different end tone.
Gibson has its share of duds and it's easy to knock them (especially people that actually love them and feel they're worth the money, even today), but when you find one that was made on a good day and the quality is right, it will blow away even the boutique stuff.
I have a mahogany/maple top Epiphone Les Paul with a mahogany/rosewood neck. Why is it that it that with the same general body shape, it doesn't sound exactly like a Gibson Les Paul? That is why if I want the real thing, I will save up the money for it.
Wasn't it Xeromus that was posting for a while about how his ESPs could rival any Gibson? Funny how he played a Gothic LP and started talking about how incredible it sounded and how he wants one afterwards. This is no "fairy dust" some people ACTUALLY like the way they sound.
A lot of different brands have different "takes" on the Les Paul design. I loved the PRS Singlecut, but because the dimensions weren't the same, it didn't sound exactly like one (not that it mattered, because it was an amazing guitar by itself). You can get a lot of guitars that will sound "in the ballpark" for cheaper, but when it comes down to chasing that exact tone, you'll want something built with the right specs and materials.
kherman
New member
Re: Gibson alternatives?
You put those words in your own mouth with the blanket statement that "nothing can nail a Gibson tone but a Gibson".
Which as you just said usually refers to the '59 LP tone.
Well I beg to differ.
The two guitars I mentioned above.
The Tokai LS320 and Navigator NLP350 should pretty much nail it dead on.
Just as easely as any R9.
Your statement did not say "Not every guitar can" Your statement was plain out "Nothing Can".
and I never said the Hamer would nail it.
I refered the Hamer as an alternative. I still do.
But, I will say that the Japan replicas are a better choice if your looking
for the LP recipe.
And they can nail it.
And I said nothing bad about Gibsons. If anyone finds one that floats their boat. Good for them. They are fine guitars.
But they are not the only game in town to get that tone.
Your statement says they are. Period.
And no where did I say every LP like guitar can nail that sound.
Agreed a ESP Eclipse or EC1000 can't. Different build.
But an ESP Navigator can. It's a Replica, not a LP like. It's build is totally based on that LP formula.
So, again I stand by my statement that your statement is a load of crap.
There are other non Gibsons that can get that Gibson tone.
No one has shown me any reason why they cant.
That's why I find your statement offensive.
It's an Elitist additude.
Kent
You put those words in your own mouth with the blanket statement that "nothing can nail a Gibson tone but a Gibson".
Which as you just said usually refers to the '59 LP tone.
Well I beg to differ.
The two guitars I mentioned above.
The Tokai LS320 and Navigator NLP350 should pretty much nail it dead on.
Just as easely as any R9.
Your statement did not say "Not every guitar can" Your statement was plain out "Nothing Can".
and I never said the Hamer would nail it.
I refered the Hamer as an alternative. I still do.
But, I will say that the Japan replicas are a better choice if your looking
for the LP recipe.
And they can nail it.
And I said nothing bad about Gibsons. If anyone finds one that floats their boat. Good for them. They are fine guitars.
But they are not the only game in town to get that tone.
Your statement says they are. Period.
And no where did I say every LP like guitar can nail that sound.
Agreed a ESP Eclipse or EC1000 can't. Different build.
But an ESP Navigator can. It's a Replica, not a LP like. It's build is totally based on that LP formula.
So, again I stand by my statement that your statement is a load of crap.
There are other non Gibsons that can get that Gibson tone.
No one has shown me any reason why they cant.
That's why I find your statement offensive.
It's an Elitist additude.
Kent
kherman
New member
Re: Gibson alternatives?
If you were reading closer you would have noticed I was refering to Vincents statement which would be considered the slur.
I was correcting him. And pointing out why his word should NOT be used.
Both words are not nice words. And should not be used to refer to any people.
Read farther through the thread next time before trying to dis me.
rspst14 said:Wow Chris, the guy who uses racial slurs finds your pro-Gibson statement offensive.
If you were reading closer you would have noticed I was refering to Vincents statement which would be considered the slur.
I was correcting him. And pointing out why his word should NOT be used.
Both words are not nice words. And should not be used to refer to any people.
Read farther through the thread next time before trying to dis me.
kherman
New member
Re: Gibson alternatives?
I apologize than, rspst14.
I was just trying to be quick and to the point of why Vincent should
use the proper words of Japan and Japanese.
Instead of getting into a big long world war II essay on not using his word.
I know he most likely ment it as an abbreviation.
But, as you quickly proved, it offends. And I agree with you.
I'll change my post to reflect a more appropriate response.
Oh, and Chris,
I'm am in no way personally flaming you.
I consider our talk a healthy debate.
But, your type of statement is brought up everytime
this topic comes up by at least one person.
Not just here, but on many forums.
I know it's only printed word.
But, we as people tend to add emotion to what we read.
So, after seeing this comment time and time again.
I tend to look at it a being smugg.
And I shouldn't.
You may have just not realized that the are much much higher quality and accurate replicas out there than the Tursers and Austins of the world.
So, peace to you both.
Kent
rspst14 said:
I apologize than, rspst14.
I was just trying to be quick and to the point of why Vincent should
use the proper words of Japan and Japanese.
Instead of getting into a big long world war II essay on not using his word.
I know he most likely ment it as an abbreviation.
But, as you quickly proved, it offends. And I agree with you.
I'll change my post to reflect a more appropriate response.
Oh, and Chris,
I'm am in no way personally flaming you.
I consider our talk a healthy debate.
But, your type of statement is brought up everytime
this topic comes up by at least one person.
Not just here, but on many forums.
I know it's only printed word.
But, we as people tend to add emotion to what we read.
So, after seeing this comment time and time again.
I tend to look at it a being smugg.
And I shouldn't.
You may have just not realized that the are much much higher quality and accurate replicas out there than the Tursers and Austins of the world.
So, peace to you both.
Kent
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