Gibson ES-347 Pickup Selection

Blackwater

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Guys, I just registered and this is my first post on the forum. I've done some pickup wiring and hotrodding and guitar mods, but it's been some years since I did this - about 10 or so, I guess.

My question relates to my Gibson ES-347. For those who aren't familiar with this one, it's basically an old jazz box based on the ES-335/345. Mine's got very tight curly maple top, back & sides, gold hardware, double bound, fine tune tailpiece and self-winding tuners. I LOVE this old guitar, and the serial number indicates that it was made in '83. Isn't that the year Gibson moved from Kalamazoo????

Regarding the pickups, I just can't stand those old pickups in it. Been a long time since I had them out, but they had a little wire running underneath them, and they look like some "electrical engineer" with no soul designed them. They appear to have ceramic magnets in them, or at least they sound like it.

A friend, Williebudda, just got a Custom V for his new Firebird, and I kinda' like that one, but I'm not nearly as good a picker as he is, and I really need something a bit smoother and softer I think, tonally. Principally, I like good blues, classic rock, some of the better country, old country (honky tonk style) and anything with heartfelt "soul." I figure if you're not gonna' put some of your soul into it, why bother?

Anyway, the 347 has a mini-switch instead of the varitone, like the 345 does.
I'd like to maximize the tonal capacity of the guitar, so want to use that somehow. As issued, it's a coil cut for the two humbuckers that came on it.

I like the older, sweeter, girthier, fatter, smoother sounds, and I think I want a '59 or similar in the neck. That Custom V of Williebudda's has more bite than I think I can make use of. Arthritis developing in both hands, you see.

I think something along the lines of the Custom Custom, or similar, may be what I need, but you guys have a LOT more collective experience than I ever will, and I'd like to hear some comments and suggestions from you all.

I'll be playing through old Fender amps, mostly - primarily a Bandmaster Reverb that I plan to have voiced specifically for this guitar, so that's a factor in my decision as well.

It'll have to be a twin humbucker setup - or at least that's what the guitar is routed for, and I will NOT be changing that. Has 2 vol. and 2 tone controls, a conventional Gibson 3-way pickup selector switch, and that additional mini-switch unique to the 347's.

What would you all recommend??? I'm interested in hearing options that I may not have thought of. Are there mini-switches that would allow me to build in a B.B. King ES-345 sound with just a flip of the mini-switch???? That would be ideal, but I've never heard of such a setup. I'd have no selection or adjustment, as on the 345's, but one good ol' 345 sound, emulating BB's, would just thrill me to no end! Comments????

Thanks for any help you can provide. I've been meaning to do this for 10 years or more.
 
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Oh! Almost forgot. I'll also be playing through an old Sovtek Mig 50 - a very early model, and a Gibson Falcon amp, if that helps. Maybe all 3 at once with the aid of an old Electro Harmonix stomp box with stereo outputs. Probably have to do that only when the wife's out, but ..... well, you married guys will understand, right? ;^)

Thanks again for any help you can lend.
 
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I bet a '59 set or a PG (Pearly Gates) set would suit your needs well. I've also heard wonderful things about the Antiquity series. Sorry I can't help with your wiring question, but someone else ought to be along soon enough...
 
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Get a pair of Seth's with 4 conductor wiring if you want to do any splitting. I had a pair of Seth's in my Epi Sheraton and they killed. Seth's are very versatile in a semi.

I wouldn't know what to do with an extra switch, except splitting the humbuckers for a cleaneer sound.


I switched over to a Phat Cat at the bridge (to hear more of the guitar's wood) and I love it. I can't wait until I can find a PC neck model in gold now. :dance:
 
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Yes, I just purchased a Gibson ES347 and the previous owner stated the was modified by Gibson as original factory modification to meet a request by the past guitar player for the Jack Paar Show.....it has a brass plate inside the guitar body to add additional treble to the sound. The other features are identical. The guitar is very heavy however I am not able to verify the guitar infact has a brass plate inside as there is a tremendous amout of bracing around the pick ups (inside the "f" holes) so I am not able to see. The guitar has been validated as all original equipment. midiworld@aol.com
 
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The original humbuckers in the Gibson ES347 should have been Dirty Fingers models. The extra wire underneath was for coil-tapping. As for the identity of the soulless electrical engineer... ? :scratchch

SD Seths and Pearly Gates HBs both feature A2 magnets. I recently Seymourised an Epiphone BB King Lucille model with SD PGn and Brobucker pickups. Like your Gibson, my Epiphone has a maple neck.
 
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The ES 347 was my first great guitar i had. I've been thru a lot of pickup swapping in the last 5 years. And i must admit: the stock neck was a great pup, the split option offered a real nice parallel sound. Maybe the bridge was a little sharp and raspy. A pretty versatile guitar out of the box.
BTW do you have an experience with changing circuits and swapping pup in a ES? Better google for that.
 
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The Ebony ES-347TD was my dream guitar. I've bought mine at Rudy's Music Stop in 48th st. in NYC in March 1981.

It got stolen three days after. I've never been able to get another since then.

Bad, BAD memories...!
 
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Hey Pepe,

reason of your GAS ?? You try to get back the guitar you never had ....:lmao:
 
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335s these days generally come with gibson 57s which are nice - especially the neck pickup. They are an alnico II pickup.
The dirty fingers are abviously ceramic and much higher output. If you want to get a sweeter tone than the ceramics will give you but the extra crunch of a hot pickup in the bridge then maybe a custom custom is good because the maple centre block gives the 335/345/355/347 axes a fair amount of treble detail. A CC should smooth this off (a2magnet) and give you a good amount of push for your amp. then maybe have a look at a pearly gates neck for a voicing that will go nicely with the cc.
Im thinking of doing this myself to my 335 so im kinda hoping you do it first and i can find out how it went for you!
Otherwise keep it simple and go a pair of gibson 57s....a pair of pgs for a bit more bite or for a more hifi sound (using alnico 5 mags) use a pair of sd 59s. I have used both a pair of 57s and 59s and kinda lean towards the a2 pickups more.
All of the above will sound great. The rest is just personal preference.
oh yeah re your toggle switch...splitting just the bridge pickups gives you a great hollow almost acoustic sound when you run both pups together (and given the extra windings of a cc it just might be a great option)...just an idea...
 
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335s these days generally come with gibson 57s which are nice - especially the neck pickup. They are an alnico II pickup.

I'd recommend one of Duncan's A2 PAF's (PG or Seth) over '57's. Seymour knows how to make low-output A2 PU's sound great in the neck & bridge slots. I've swapped the magents out of my '57's.
 
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whats your view on a cc in the bridge to go with a pg neck blueman? ever tried it?

I think CC's belong in bright woods (and I love warm bridge PU's). In a bright guitar, a CC/PGN is a nice set. Not so much in an LP or 335. In those, an C8 or C5 with an UOA5 is a better bet.
 
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