Gibson files new lawsuits

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...$50 plywood "Les Pauls"...while also producing $10,000 collectors models with nothing in between...

Huh? Ever heard of Epiphone? Or the variety of sub-$1000 USA-made models they've had over the past 7-8 years?

I mean, the company still sucks, but I'm not sure why you believe Maestro and Gibson USA Custom Shop are the only offerings out there, LOL!
 
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I maintain my position on idsnowdog's post. He is either lying, or is completely clueless.
Congratulations you can't identify sarcasm. I hear people with Aspergers have trouble with it. Might want to get tested Rainman. As for the middle ground why would you lessen the value of your flagship by slapping the Les Paul and Gibson name on everything?
 
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^^
You do realize that sarcasm is not always obvious with the printed word, especially on an internet forum.

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Man, I hope I don't have an unlicensed dream about a Les Paul or Explorer... I might have to pay Gibson royalties lol
 
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Guitar companies really need to stop copying Fender and Gibson. That said Gibson sat idly while lots of other companies made Explorers and Vs, which ironically Gibson did have design patents on.

Fender lost similar lawsuits when the judge ruled they waited too long and allowed those designs to become generic.

Gibson did the same. Problem these days is Henry Juszkiewicz ran Gibson into the ground. Now the new owners are concerned with not losing anymore money.


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Guitar companies really need to stop copying Fender and Gibson. That said Gibson sat idly while lots of other companies made Explorers and Vs, which ironically Gibson did have design patents on.

Fender lost similar lawsuits when the judge ruled they waited too long and allowed those designs to become generic.

Gibson did the same. Problem these days is Henry Juszkiewicz ran Gibson into the ground. Now the new owners are concerned with not losing anymore money.


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I agree. The entire guitar and bass industry needs to take a step back a bit for resource reasons alone. On top of that, if a guitar company is not bringing anything of their own to the table, they really should cease to exist at this point. I want to see the original innovators rise to the top while the companies who have earned their place are given some room to breathe finally (Gibson, Fender, PRS, etc).

As far as how each company decides to run itself, well, that is on them. I have not owned a Gibson since about 2008 now, but that was a fine guitar. If they failed to secure their own design property rights over the years, that is not my problem. At least they are trying to now I guess?

However, the whole world could use a whole lot less new cars and guitars on lots and shelves at the end of the day. There is not enough market demand to be consuming this many resources in the hopes of improving the quarterly bottom line. A lot of dust gets collected on a lot of things that never should have come into existence.
 
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Guitar companies really need to stop copying Fender and Gibson. That said Gibson sat idly while lots of other companies made Explorers and Vs, which ironically Gibson did have design patents on.

Fender lost similar lawsuits when the judge ruled they waited too long and allowed those designs to become generic.

Gibson did the same. Problem these days is Henry Juszkiewicz ran Gibson into the ground. Now the new owners are concerned with not losing anymore money.


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Agree 100%. You may hate Gibson or Fender, but man all these "well respected boutique guitar makers" simply just make copies of Strats and Les Pauls and charge $5000+ for them on the market. Yes, I'm talking about Anderson, Suhr, Nash, Grosh and Collings... among others. Nothing original other than finishes and the ability to customize the electronics.
 
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You may hate Gibson or Fender, but man all these "well respected boutique guitar makers" simply just make copies of Strats and Les Pauls and charge $5000+ for them on the market.

Huh? What do you mean?

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I'd think if any of these lawsuits are successful in either a judgement in Gibson's favor, or scaring the other companies into change, you will have Fender trying the same thing.
 
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Agree 100%. You may hate Gibson or Fender, but man all these "well respected boutique guitar makers" simply just make copies of Strats and Les Pauls and charge $5000+ for them on the market. Yes, I'm talking about Anderson, Suhr, Nash, Grosh and Collings... among others. Nothing original other than finishes and the ability to customize the electronics.

Meanwhile guitar players swear by them and proudly post NGDs on 3000-dollar Strat/ Tele 'counterfeits' made by these booh-teek makers.
 
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Meanwhile guitar players swear by them and proudly post NGDs on 3000-dollar Strat/ Tele 'counterfeits' made by these booh-teek makers.

Thing is, it should force these companies filing the suits to see what these other companies are doing right. Most people who want the absolute best playing Strat don't get an actual Fender. Companies like Suhr and Collings make exceptional guitars. Had Gibson & Fender made comparable-quality guitars as these, they'd have no need to sue, as you'd just get the originals. But it takes a long time to turn a dinosaur...these smaller companies can adapt and change with their customers. They also don't have to lean on tradition so heavily, and can build a better machine.
 
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these smaller companies can adapt and change with their customers. They also don't have to lean on tradition so heavily, and can build a better machine.

Just a minor addition: in my opinion they wouldn't even have to change, just "expand their horizons"... It's kinda ironic that that in a sense they were the original innovators, Gibson turned "The Log" into an iconic instrument and Fender made its own indelible mark on guitar and rock music, yet seemingly they wish not to keep the tradition of innovation, but rather that of sitting on their laurels and snuffing out anyone trying to take their place in perfecting and elevating electric guitar.

Of yourse there are the plain and disgusting ripoffs and fakes that add nothing to the instrument but only use the visuals to sell inferior products to earn cash, which should be dealt with properly But as always, it is we, the people who buy inferior/counterfeit/not up to par originals who are keeping this thing alive and moving oftentimes in bad direction. George Carlin used to say that once you willingly take part in a game you have no right to criticze the outcome (he used this in the context of elections, but not only is politics banned here, but I hate it wholeheartedly, hence the change to "game"), however, if you do not take part in it, you have all the right to point out its flaws. Of course, reality is not as simple as it writing a forum post about it, it"s way more complicated than that. Also, I will keep buying Indonesian Jacksons and I also won't quit calling out the big companies for making mistakes or overpricing their products. :D
 
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Just a minor addition: in my opinion they wouldn't even have to change, just "expand their horizons"... It's kinda ironic that that in a sense they were the original innovators, Gibson turned "The Log" into an iconic instrument and Fender made its own indelible mark on guitar and rock music, yet seemingly they wish not to keep the tradition of innovation, but rather that of sitting on their laurels and snuffing out anyone trying to take their place in perfecting and elevating electric guitar.

Of yourse there are the plain and disgusting ripoffs and fakes that add nothing to the instrument but only use the visuals to sell inferior products to earn cash, which should be dealt with properly But as always, it is we, the people who buy inferior/counterfeit/not up to par originals who are keeping this thing alive and moving oftentimes in bad direction. George Carlin used to say that once you willingly take part in a game you have no right to criticze the outcome (he used this in the context of elections, but not only is politics banned here, but I hate it wholeheartedly, hence the change to "game"), however, if you do not take part in it, you have all the right to point out its flaws. Of course, reality is not as simple as it writing a forum post about it, it"s way more complicated than that. Also, I will keep buying Indonesian Jacksons and I also won't quit calling out the big companies for making mistakes or overpricing their products. :D

Gibson and Fender have toyed with more modern features in some sort of 'modern' series...and those tend to be great guitars. But I think they need to go buy a few Collings or Suhrs and figure out that you can make every guitar play like that. Both of those companies just aren't set up to spend that much time making 1 guitar. Maybe their custom shops do, but those are so laughably overpriced that no wonder people flock to smaller companies where the builder is the one actually answering the phone.
 
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