Gibson guitars and quality issues

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I read about the lack of quality and attention to detail people have experienced with Gibson guitars made in the past 10 - 15 years. IMO, Gibson is making better and more consistent guitars now than they have since things started to go wrong sometime after about 1965.

Since returning to the ES-335 as a main electric guitar, whenever I go into a music shop and see a Gibson ES-335 on the wall I usually ask if I can check it out. Every one has impressed me as being a very nice ax and the quality, tone and feel seems more consistent than in years passed. So it's surprising to read so many slams on Gibson's lack of quality.

Just for the record, I think the worst Gibsons were made during the Norlin era which would mean those from the late 1960's and through-out the 70's. Many of those were garbage: no attentiuon to vintage details, skinny necks and sloppy workmanship. I'm astonished that those lousy guitars are now being sold for $10K and more because they're now considered vintage.

During that period I think the folks at Gibson just didn't have much respect for rock musicians - but they did want our money.

Gibsons made in the last 15 years are made so much better than those made 30 - 40 years ago, IMO.

The '96, '00 and '01 ES-335's I've been able to spend some time with are/were virtually identical and on a par with the ES-335's I owned decades ago which were all made during what I think of as being Gibson's Golden era for electric guitars: 1956 - 64.

Even back in those days I'd find old Gibson from the 50's and 60's that had issues: pickups installed so that the polepieces were not perfectly centered under the strings - stuff like that.

I'd remove the pickup, fill the screw holes and then remount the pickup moved over a tad, to where it should have been mounted in the first place.

I've always had to tweak and tighten up certain small things whenever I get a guitar. To get the action where I like it, this usually means filing the nut some, adjusting the truss rod and adjusting the intonation and action.

I expect to have to do this - I don't expect any manufacturer to know what I prefer and I expect that they'll leave the nut cut higher and the action set higher than I would like.

Likewise, I expect to adjust the pickups and polepieces to my tastes.

Anyways, my own experience with Gibson guitars made in the last 15 years has been very good and I don't see the lack of quality that so many hear complain about.

Maybe it's because I expect to have to do a complete set up on any guitar upon receiving it.

Lew
 
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I have yet to see anything nasty QC wise from Gibson. Besides strangely matched 4 piece bodies on faded SGs and some odd sharp pre-plek machine fret work mainly on lower end Gibson.

But anything over $1k has been a pleasure to play and behold.

But, I have seen some bad luck detailed on forums. flaws id expect to see on Asian imports. I agree that anything like this should not be shipped out of the factory.
 
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I have yet to see anything nasty QC wise from Gibson. Besides strangely matched 4 piece bodies on faded SGs and some odd sharp pre-plek machine fret work mainly on lower end Gibson.

But anything over $1k has been a pleasure to play and behold.

But, I have seen some bad luck detailed on forums. flaws id expect to see on Asian imports. I agree that anything like this should not be shipped out of the factory.

A friend of mine did a tour of the Gibson facility in Memphis. He said he was shocked to see beautiful guitars with what he considered to be tiny flaws being sawn up into fire wood.

In the old days, if a guitar had a small finish flaw Gibson would issue it with a big "2" stamped into the peghead and it was sold as a second.

That's no longer the policy I guess.

Like I said, my only interest is in ES-335 type guitars. And those I've played seemed on a par with what Gibson was producing in the 50's and 60's.

Wish they could use Brazillian rosewood for the fingerboards again because I can hear a slight diff there - but those days are almost gone for good I'm afraid.
 
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I love Gibsons... I avoided them for a few years, but since I've had my explorer, I don't like playing any other kind of guitar really. They feel right to me.

I have that and a Les Paul DC from about 96... I chose it over a 99 59 RI... felt better to me, but then I'm not a real Les Paul guy, I love what others do with them, but not me.

I want a fire bird, an SG, some V's and more explorers... especially if they make a V or explorer with p-90s.... I'd use a credit card for that!
 
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my tech had a 2007 335 come in that the bridge holes were 5/8" off....would not inntonate....DUHHH

that is poor QC!!!!!
 
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my tech had a 2007 335 come in that the bridge holes were 5/8" off....would not inntonate....DUHHH

that is poor QC!!!!!

Did you actually see this for yourself?

I guess it could happen but that extreme of a defect seems pretty unlikely.

These guitars do get played prior to leaving the factory. :cool2:

I did think that this repair job of a Gibson could have been handled more skillfully:
 
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I love my gibson it's a 05 but I had to play a few befor I found one that I liked. Gibson makes good guitars you just have to look for the one that fits you. I dont know why all the Gibson bashing latey but every guitar brand of guitars has the good ones and there bad ones.
 
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A friend of mine did a tour of the Gibson facility in Memphis. He said he was shocked to see beautiful guitars with what he considered to be tiny flaws being sawn up into fire wood.

In the old days, if a guitar had a small finish flaw Gibson would issue it with a big "2" stamped into the peghead and it was sold as a second.

That's no longer the policy I guess.

Like I said, my only interest is in ES-335 type guitars. And those I've played seemed on a par with what Gibson was producing in the 50's and 60's.

Wish they could use Brazillian rosewood for the fingerboards again because I can hear a slight diff there - but those days are almost gone for good I'm afraid.

I have one of those factory seconds. Under the serial number it's stamped "SEC".

The problem? It was a Les Paul Custom flametop with a knot, so they painted it Alpine white. Buy the time I got it used, the white had discolored to pink in the area where a belly carve would be. After refinishing it, it's ine of the best playing and sounding Les Pauls I've ever played.

in 2005 I visited the Gibson factory showroom in Nashville, and they denied ever releasing factory seconds.

The new Gibsons I've played in the last 3 years all seem to be alot better built with better fret work
 
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Did you actually see this for yourself?

I guess it could happen but that extreme of a defect seems pretty unlikely.

These guitars do get played prior to leaving the factory. :cool2:

I did think that this repair job of a Gibson could have been handled more skillfully:

Wow very sad :28:
 
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I don't get it either.

I work at a really really big music store. We have at least 200 guitars in the building at all times. This means new Gibsons every week or so.

Almost every single one of them has been totally perfect.

I have seen a few 'weird' things...one of the purple robot Les Pauls we got had some overspray onto the fretboard, made it look like they didn't tape the fretboard tight enough before painting but it didn't hurt the playability or anything.

The problems I've read online all had to do with buying sight-unseen from Musician's Friend. There was the 335 that Tattooed Carrot bought a while ago...Musician's Friend shipped it out to him with a very visible sharpie marker line UNDER THE FINISH...so it was obviously a shop flaw...

However, at any reputable shop, where we pull the guitars out of their cases and examine them, set them up, and pre-play them before trying to push them off to customers, we can take advantage of Gibson's 90-day shop warranty. You get a Gibson with a funny bridge or the neck's not quite right, you SEND IT BACK TO THEM.

It's like when I read somebody bashing on Fender because the three-year-old USA Strat they played at a shop had a dried-out rosewood board and the corresponding sharp frets...that's not Fender's fault, that's the shop that's been letting it sit there unatttended for three years...
 
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I read about the lack of quality and attention to detail people have experienced with Gibson guitars made in the past 10 - 15 years. IMO, Gibson is making better and more consistent guitars now than they have since things started to go wrong sometime after about 1965.

Since returning to the ES-335 as a main electric guitar, whenever I go into a music shop and see a Gibson ES-335 on the wall I usually ask if I can check it out. Every one has impressed me as being a very nice ax and the quality, tone and feel seems more consistent than in years passed. So it's surprising to read so many slams on Gibson's lack of quality.

Just for the record, I think the worst Gibsons were made during the Norlin era which would mean those from the late 1960's and through-out the 70's. Many of those were garbage: no attentiuon to vintage details, skinny necks and sloppy workmanship. I'm astonished that those lousy guitars are now being sold for $10K and more because they're now considered vintage.

During that period I think the folks at Gibson just didn't have much respect for rock musicians - but they did want our money.

Gibsons made in the last 15 years are made so much better than those made 30 - 40 years ago, IMO.

The '96, '00 and '01 ES-335's I've been able to spend some time with are/were virtually identical and on a par with the ES-335's I owned decades ago which were all made during what I think of as being Gibson's Golden era for electric guitars: 1956 - 64.

Even back in those days I'd find old Gibson from the 50's and 60's that had issues: pickups installed so that the polepieces were not perfectly centered under the strings - stuff like that.

I'd remove the pickup, fill the screw holes and then remount the pickup moved over a tad, to where it should have been mounted in the first place.

I've always had to tweak and tighten up certain small things whenever I get a guitar. To get the action where I like it, this usually means filing the nut some, adjusting the truss rod and adjusting the intonation and action.

I expect to have to do this - I don't expect any manufacturer to know what I prefer and I expect that they'll leave the nut cut higher and the action set higher than I would like.

Likewise, I expect to adjust the pickups and polepieces to my tastes.

Anyways, my own experience with Gibson guitars made in the last 15 years has been very good and I don't see the lack of quality that so many hear complain about.

Maybe it's because I expect to have to do a complete set up on any guitar upon receiving it.

Lew
The difference is that modern builders have upped the ante on what quality builds are. Hamer, PRS and other builders are building instruments to a much higher standard and Gibson has not kept up. I have personally experienced the poorly cut nuts, misaligned parts, poor binding work etc. What was acceptable 40 years ago is not the same as it is today. When put in context with the market placement approach of putting Gibson guitars in the "High End Luxury Item" the expectations get elevated that much higher.
 
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The difference is that modern builders have upped the ante on what quality builds are. Hamer, PRS and other builders are building instruments to a much higher standard and Gibson has not kept up. I have personally experienced the poorly cut nuts, misaligned parts, poor binding work etc. What was acceptable 40 years ago is not the same as it is today. When put in context with the market placement approach of putting Gibson guitars in the "High End Luxury Item" the expectations get elevated that much higher.

I haven't experienced that. I've owned many beautiful Hamers and one PRS. Generally, they were on the same par as my '00 Gibson, especially my Hamer Monoco Super Pro, but not really better than my Gibson.

I'll be curious to hear what Jol Danzig at Hamer has to say about my Gibson ES-335 - he's working on it as we speak. :)
 
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I don't get it either.

I work at a really really big music store. We have at least 200 guitars in the building at all times. This means new Gibsons every week or so.

Almost every single one of them has been totally perfect.

I have seen a few 'weird' things...one of the purple robot Les Pauls we got had some overspray onto the fretboard, made it look like they didn't tape the fretboard tight enough before painting but it didn't hurt the playability or anything.

At the Gibson price point, "Doesn't hurt playability" Is not an acceptable answer


The problems I've read online all had to do with buying sight-unseen from Musician's Friend. There was the 335 that Tattooed Carrot bought a while ago...Musician's Friend shipped it out to him with a very visible sharpie marker line UNDER THE FINISH...so it was obviously a shop flaw...

What difference does it make where or how they bought it? Flaws from the factory are unacceptable. Why does Gibson always get a pass? If those flaws came on a PRS, PRS QC would be dipped in acid and taken to task in any number of ways

However, at any reputable shop, where we pull the guitars out of their cases and examine them, set them up, and pre-play them before trying to push them off to customers, we can take advantage of Gibson's 90-day shop warranty. You get a Gibson with a funny bridge or the neck's not quite right, you SEND IT BACK TO THEM.

Again, why are those guitars leaving the factory? Its 2009 not 1959.

It's like when I read somebody bashing on Fender because the three-year-old USA Strat they played at a shop had a dried-out rosewood board and the corresponding sharp frets...that's not Fender's fault, that's the shop that's been letting it sit there unatttended for three years...

This last example is completely irrelevant. Your comparing 3yrs of shop neglect to flaws from the factory
 
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I don't know that Gibson "always gets a pass". There's plenty of people who complain about Gibson quality. Maybe they're guys who don't know how to a complete set-up and it freaks them out to lower the grooves in a nut?

I expect to do a set-up when I get a guitar - that's the only way for me to get the perfect set-up I have to have.

That's why I made my post: my experience has been pretty good regarding Gibson quality and I haven't seen the glaring quality issues others have.

But I will say that I'm extremely picky when it comes to guitars and I thought much of what Gibson produced in the 70's was trash.

Not now though. Of the newer Gibsons I've played some have been a little more resonant than others and some have played a little better than others, but all have all been good guitars.

I'm sure a few lemons slip through now and then, but I haven't seen many of them.
 
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I love Gibson and I own a bunch of them. I've not seen a lot of the QC issues that people talk about. Not saying they dont exsist, I just havent seen them with anything I own or have played. I think a lot of the hate is because they are so huge and corporate now. People look at them as the Microsoft of the guitar world.
 
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I love Gibson and I own a bunch of them. I've not seen a lot of the QC issues that people talk about. Not saying they dont exsist, I just havent seen them with anything I own or have played. I think a lot of the hate is because they are so huge and corporate now. People look at them as the Microsoft of the guitar world.

The lawsuit Gibson filed against PRS regarding the PRS Singlecut guitar design didn't do Gibson any good either. Gibson lost - and they shouldn't have filed that lawsuit to begin with. That was all about corporate greed and trying to injure a smaller, less well-financed competitor, IMO.

But I still like my 335. :)
 
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I don't know that Gibson "always gets a pass". There's plenty of people who complain about Gibson quality. Maybe they're guys who don't know how to a complete set-up and it freaks them out to lower the grooves in a nut?

I expect to do a set-up when I get a guitar - that's the only way for me to get the perfect set-up I have to have.

That's why I made my post: my experience has been pretty good regarding Gibson quality and I haven't seen the glaring quality issues others have.

But I will say that I'm extremely picky when it comes to guitars and I thought much of what Gibson produced in the 70's was trash.

Not now though. Of the newer Gibsons I've played some have been a little more resonant than others and some have played a little better than others, but all have all been good guitars.

I'm sure a few lemons slip through now and then, but I haven't seen many of them.

I am not talking about seup issues. I am talking about botched binding, obvious finish bleed, Misaligned pickup rings, Piss poor fret work etc etc...I have seen it. A good LP is a great thing but too many with issues leave the factory
 
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I love Gibson and I own a bunch of them. I've not seen a lot of the QC issues that people talk about. Not saying they dont exsist, I just havent seen them with anything I own or have played. I think a lot of the hate is because they are so huge and corporate now. People look at them as the Microsoft of the guitar world.

It because they behave like that. Frivolous lawsuits, screwing over the dealer base etc just to get started.
 
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The difference is that modern builders have upped the ante on what quality builds are. Hamer, PRS and other builders are building instruments to a much higher standard and Gibson has not kept up. I have personally experienced the poorly cut nuts, misaligned parts, poor binding work etc. What was acceptable 40 years ago is not the same as it is today. When put in context with the market placement approach of putting Gibson guitars in the "High End Luxury Item" the expectations get elevated that much higher.

I agree, I've never had any real problems off the bat with any guitar except the couple gibsons I've bought. One arrived with poor and sloppy fretwork and inlay work, the other had the nut cut way too low on the g string, buzzed like crazy
 
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