Gibson help

Ginger

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Hello.

I need new pickups. I have a Gibson Les Paul Classic with the stock 496r and 500T pickups, and they are WAY to hot. The 500T rips my ears appart when I play, can't stand it. Its way to trebly also. Anyway I thought about purchasing burstbuckers for it. I like the sound that the Les Paul Standard puts out, and they have burstbuckers in them. But I thought I would ask you guys what you thought would sound equal to those. I've been looking at the pickup combos, specificly the 59 combo. Basically I want a nice vintage sound, thats smooth not shrilling like my pickups now, not hot either.

Thanks for the help/suggestions
 
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Go for some Seth Lovers if you want nickel covers...Alnico II Pros if you like black or zebra. You'll be glad you did. I love the Seth Lovers! They're an exact recreation of the original alnico 2 Gibson paf used in those great 50's Les Pauls Clapton, Beck, Page, Green and Bloomfield all used. Much warmer tone than what you have now but still bright and clear. Lew
 
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I'd have recommended the 59's- but the amount of worry over shrill highs makes me think that what I'd call pleasantly bright, you'd still call shrill.

I'll go with the A2P, I think. And don't forget Seymour's exchange policy. So you might try the 59's and if they don't work out, go to A2P.
 
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Ginger said:
Hello.

I need new pickups. I have a Gibson Les Paul Classic with the stock 496r and 500T pickups, and they are WAY to hot. The 500T rips my ears appart when I play, can't stand it. Its way to trebly also. Anyway I thought about purchasing burstbuckers for it. I like the sound that the Les Paul Standard puts out, and they have burstbuckers in them. But I thought I would ask you guys what you thought would sound equal to those. I've been looking at the pickup combos, specificly the 59 combo. Basically I want a nice vintage sound, thats smooth not shrilling like my pickups now, not hot either.

Thanks for the help/suggestions

500T does not do a very good job on a lot of classics. I think it is a great high output bucker BUT definitely does not have anything to do with the word "classic"! I dunno why Gibson is insisting on using those on classics. Anyways...

Some of the burstbuckers are real good. But I had very crappy ones as well. I think gibson's QC is not the best and that's why there are many contradicting reviews about these buckers. That said I think you'd be better off by staying away from that risky and relatively expensive alternative.

As Lew said, you could go for Seths, Alnico 2 Pros, Pearly Gates. All these are great pickups. Their performance would depend on the natural tone of your guitar tho. If you could give us more hints about the natural tone of your wood, and what you want, then we could help you out in narrowing your alternatives. You'd not make a blind guess.

Still I have to say that after reading your initial post my guess was a set of antiquity HBs. Check them out.

Good luck,

B
 
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Hello, thanks for the responce. The natural tone of my guitar is full and bassy. I think that answers your question. Very full and bassy actually. The sound I'm looking for is more vintage than anything. Something that is warm and smooth, but still has a bit of bite to it, and isn't really muddy / has clarity to it, nothing worse than having muddy pickups. Also a pickup that sounds nice when used with overdive. I still need these pickups to scream once and a while tooo.. I hope that narrows it down for you..

Thanks again.
 
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MF is selling the Seth 50th ann pups for $200 with free shipping......i dd the impulse buy thing.......could those be a possibility? Lew? any input to assuage my buyers remorse?:laugh2:
 
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jdm61 said:
MF is selling the Seth 50th ann pups for $200 with free shipping......i dd the impulse buy thing.......could those be a possibility? Lew? any input to assuage my buyers remorse?:laugh2:

Nah...I love the Seths. You did good!
 
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Or, for less than two bills overall (versus two Ben Franklins per pup!), there is still the 59 set...
 
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In the bridge you have basically 2 options. Do you wanna have a tight and present bass, and a separated eq curve (meaning not that much lowermids), and biting highs? (Think of Jimmy Page.) Or do you wanna get a spongy bass, smooth lowermids, some amount of uppermids (the amount being your choice because there you have two alternatives), and smooth (not that textured) highs?

For the first option a5 PAF clones is what you need to get. There are 2 options that Duncan offers as far as PAF clones are concerned. 59 Bridge (henceforth 59b) and Jazz Bridge. 59B is not as clear as JazzB, but is a great Jimmy Page pickup. It can cover a lot of ground for you. The bass as I said would be present and very noticable. But I don't think it would be overbearing. Generally the highs might be a problem with those a5s but since you have a bassy and full LP, I think an a5 bridge PAF clone would sound real good. Decide for yourself how much clarity you like. Jazz B would sound better clean, but also would give a "wilder" overdriven tone. So it's your choice.

Now for the second option, you have a more variety of alternatives.

The first being the seths. Those are rather eq wise flat PAF clones. They have a nasal honk which generally is attributed to the original PAFs. Duncan designed them with Seth Lover who is the original designer of HBs. It is not potted (so theoretically non-potted pickup could squeel at high volumes if not wound right) but do not worry. I had 7 non-wax potted duncan PAF clones and none of them had a uncontrollable sqling issue. I suppose you are not a metal head running an overdrive pedal into a masa dual recto. No? Non-wax potted pickups (I'd say) has a 3d clarity that I do not hear in any of the potted pickups I tried. That's the good thing about wax potting, and seths do have that 3d clarity.

The next option is a alnico 2 pro. Well they sound like seths I'd say but without the honk and 3d clarity. They are very good pickups. Have spongy bass, smooth mids and highs. Their uppermids would be (I would say) less than all of the pickups which are and will be mentioned in this post of mine. Slash uses them. Plus they are guaranteed not to squeel, but no 3d clarity.

Then comes the Pearly Gates. That is one of my favorites and is based on Billy Gibbons' PAFs. It sounds like an a2p bridge with the exception of them uppermids. It has the uppermids of a a5 bucker. And that's what makes it very good. Some find this (because of them uppermids) very trebly. Anyways your guitar is not a bright one so no worries there. It can cut through the mix very easily and still it is an a2 PAF clone. Warren Hayes used and uses them. D. Betts also used them in early 90s if I am not mistaken.

Well the final (and maybe the best option) is a antiquity HB. You get seths tone, with a twist. Generally it is wound hotter than any of the buckers above, but has a weak magnet. That means it sounds like a seth (nasal honk, smooth bass, smooth mids and highs) but pulled back a little. That is not a bad thing, they sound real good. One of my favorites. Indeed, if you were to swap the aged a2 with an a5, well that bucker rivals even the most expensive boutique PAF clones out there. Anyways, ants have a 3d hollowness, because their lowermids and uppermids are somewhat separated. The tone you get would be woody, but thick, clear, but round. See the nice things about it?

To be continued...

B
 
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For the neck, I'd advise you to stay away from a5 PAF clones. You already have a bassy guitar. Thus the a5 bass in the neck might become unbearable for you. Happened to me. Happened to a lot of folks around here.

Then you have to decide which a2 PAF clone to go for. Their tonal description is as in the bridge. But the only thing that needs to be mentioned is that generally duncan a2 PAF neck clones are wound quite cool. They measure 7.20-7.50K with the exception of the antiquities (and a2ps if you are lucky). I personally like that a2 thickness, but still care for clarity in the neck. Thus my ideal values for a a2 neck clone is 8.00K-7.70K. And since antiquities sound real good (3d clear hollow tone) I definitely recommend a neck antiquity.

To sum up, the following would be my choices if I were to be in your shoes:

For LedZep kinda tones: 59B and antiquity neck (would give you are to die for middle position)

For Peter Green, Billy Gibbons, Warren Hayes kinda tones: Pearly Gates bridge and antiquity neck (again you'd have a great middle position but not as alive as the one with a 59b).

Good luck.

Let us know.

B
 
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This should be vaulted due to the exceptional posts by Doc B! Best explaination I've read yet.....
 
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Hello,

Wow thanks for the advice, that is very helpful. I wanted to make another comment about the tone I'm looking for. I'm not a fan of a lot of treble. The 500T is way to much, and I don't want to purchase a pickup that has the same treble characteristics as the 500T. But I want a nice clear pickup that still retains clarity when used with distortion and overdrive. I play a lot of open chords as opposed to power chords, so note definition is another important aspect. With all that said, I still want a pickup with enough juice to pull off a Mark Tremonti solo........ Those are my thoughts after reading your comments..

Thanks again, you have been really helpful
 
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Definately the 59' for the bridge, and an Antiquity or APH for the neck. I would suggest an APH set, but if your guitar is already full and bassy, the APH in the bridge might not give you quite enough cut.

I have a 59'/APH in my LP Standard, and it is a great pickup combo.
 
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