Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

loudriver23

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I hear a lot of talk about Gibson Les Pauls with a R7, R8 , R9 etc...... label.
What does this mean? How can I find out what a particular Paul is? I'm really gassing for a Paul but wanted a little more info before I start my hunt.
Thanks,
Loudriver
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

the number is the year of the reissue. as in R7...reissue 1957...R8...reissue 1958...R9...reissue 1959.

-Mike
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

Damnit!!!:smack:

That's so logical, and simple. I can't believe I didn't put that one together.
Thanks
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

57 Reissues (R7) are normally humbucker goldtops with stop tail tuneomatic bridges.

56 Reissues (R6) are normally P90 goldtops with stop tail tuneomatic bridges.

54 Reissues (R4) are normally P90 goldtops with wrap-around bridges.

52 Reissues (R2) are normally P90 goldtops with trapeze style tailpieces.

58 Reissues is where the fun really begins. Why? Because there are all sorts of flamed bursts and plain top bursts, depending on year of manufacture. Humbuckers are the norm though. Overall, probably the thickest necks of all the reissues.

59 Reissues seem to have the best tops of all. THe neck is slightly smaller than most 58's, but not by very much at all. But, the best tops demand high bucks and expect to pay that if you get an R9.

Resale values hold pretty steady on all these, making buying a used one a no-brainer as you can usually recover your costs if you decide to sell.

Best bang for the buck are the R6 and R7's. If you dig goldtops, you can often find a used one for $1600-1800.

All the reissues have common features in construction. The long neck tenon allows more of the neck to be glued into the body, more square inches of neck to body contact and it does make a difference in tone. It's the way the old ones were made.

They truly are the best Les Pauls made. I'd rather have a used semi-beat up R7 than a brand new regular production Standard or Classic.

Pickups changed from 57 Classics to Burstbuckers in 2002. Some 02's have the BB's, some don't. That was the transition year.

Oh yeah, if you buy one, invest another 100 bucks or so and get the locking tonepros bridge and the locking studs that hold the stop bar in place. It's a great upgrade tone-wise. also, it'll protect the fiinish of your top when you change strings and the parts don't all fall off. I remember my first LP and the way the bridge hit the floor the first time I took off all the strings!

Most of the reissues from the late 90's on have the lightweight aluminum tail piece, so there's no real need to get the Tonepros version of that, just hte studs.

And, while your'e at it, if you want to go "all the way", get a set of Seymour DUncan Antiquity humbuckers for it and some CTS 500K pots, with a good quality tone capacitor.




Now get out there and buy one dammit!!!!
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

for capacitor, get the Hovland........it has no sound of its own......invented by guys who build $10,000+ stereo amps chocked full of said caps
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

If you want clean, go to the Gruhn site.....he has one for $275,000:fingersx:
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

Shessh.....i could have bought Pat Traver's real, unbroken 60 back in 95 at Throughbred if i had only had $25k or so burning a holei n my pocket......like my grandfather use to say....sh*t's gone up since the war"...lol
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

2001 was the first year that the aluminium tailpieces were available and they only came on the R9s. They may all have them now.
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

But they 60's and 58's were traditionally nowhere near as desirable as the 59's. about 1/3 the price as i recall. and this beast is not original. they essentially want $100k+ for a 1960 Les Paul BODY:yell:
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

robert, my 02 R8 came with one. In face, the 98 R6 I bought used has one, but I guess someone put it on there at some point.
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

My January 01 R8 has the lightweight tailpiece- I'm sure you could find them on 00 guitars- I seem to remember that being the big talk around the time- Oooh! Lightweight aluminum tailpieces!
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

innerdreamrecords.co said:
How do you authenticate a guitar like that? There is no way in hell I'd drop 100k + without some serious research into it.
You can always do the detective work on it's provenance. There are some bursts that have a perfect chain of owners to their original sale. Then there are the one owner guitars- like Don Stroup's lefty 60 burst (one of 3 known leftys!).

Not really that I was searching out provenance- but I got my 71 Deluxe in a very circuitous route. I found out the guitar had belonged to a friend of mine- and was used in a prominent local band after that.
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

let's not forget the NECK....so best case scenario is that it has a "correct" RI or salvaged neck......i was offered a 68 black beauty that was no longer black and had a replacement neck in the early 80's for somewhere around $500.....this shop also had a 58 strat that had been "custom" painted with Krylon and then stripped as best as the idiot could for not much more......so now this kinda garbage is fetching $100K?:laugh2: sure makes us RI buyers feel REAL smart :banana:
 
Re: Gibson R7, R8, R9 ????

You guys completely forgot about the R0 line, the 1960 RI's ;) Typically come with slim taper necks and wraparound bridges. My #1 :D
 
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