@#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

the guy who invented fire said:
Nobody complains about Fender guitars that are $2000-$3000 and those are alder and ash bodies with bolted on necks, nobody complains about the $2000+ guitars from Ibanez that have basswood bodies, or the $2000+ made in japan ESP guitars, the nearly $3000 made in japan Gretsch guitars, the close to (and over in some cases) $3000 Dean guitars...so why does everybody feel the need to hate Gibson?
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Maybe because Gibson always had this air of superior quality about it? As I understand quite a few people have been dissapointed with their Gibsons due to lack of quality control or simply because they produce such an awfull lot of guitars.
Fenders were traditionally conveyor belt guitars with easily replaceable parts suited for the working class.
Although complaining doesn't help I also find some of your examples overpriced. Personally I would only pay that to a luthier who made the guitar to my own specs
 
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Liquid said:
YAYA!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone eles is doing it too.
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I did that also during some years but not for price reasons , just because I had to try a hundred LPs to find a good sounding one !!!
After some years of buying LPs and with experience and ear training I realised that my LPs were not so good sounding. I already noticed some poor finishing on the Gibbies but when I noticed : rattling basses , bad sustain , low sounding highs ... I said enough.

Then I tried the PRS CU22 and that was it , I could switch from a PRS to another and it was a great sounding axe.
So when the PRS Mc Carty was issued , I sold all my LPs and boycotted Gibson !

I came back to Gibson in '96 with a '56RI with Brazilian rosewood fretboard !
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

the guy who invented fire said:
Nobody complains about Fender guitars that are $2000-$3000 and those are alder and ash bodies with bolted on necks, nobody complains about the $2000+ guitars from Ibanez that have basswood bodies, or the $2000+ made in japan ESP guitars, the nearly $3000 made in japan Gretsch guitars, the close to (and over in some cases) $3000 Dean guitars...so why does everybody feel the need to hate Gibson?
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Tell 'em bro! :fingersx:
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

To whoever was laughing at me, I agree that Eiphones are not Gibsons. They are not the same. But buying a good Epiphone will sound vaer close to many Gibbys. They don't sustain or resonate quite as long, and they certainly aren't as pretty. But they are fine guitars.
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Factory flames is like, uhm, how do I say this without violating forum policies????? Kind of lame.

Flames are custom, supposed to be custom, no one else is supposed to have the same flames you have, it just doesn't work.

I love the guitar though.
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

the guy who invented fire said:
Nobody complains about Fender guitars that are $2000-$3000 and those are alder and ash bodies with bolted on necks, nobody complains about the $2000+ guitars from Ibanez that have basswood bodies, or the $2000+ made in japan ESP guitars, the nearly $3000 made in japan Gretsch guitars, the close to (and over in some cases) $3000 Dean guitars...so why does everybody feel the need to hate Gibson?
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Really, what percentage of Fenders are $2000+? Not a high percentage at all. I am not opposed to paying the $2000+ mark for a guitar but, that guitar better be built to my exact specs with HUGE attention to detail not, this sub par QC and an off the assembly line stuff!

If you folks want to spend your hard earned money on something that is way over priced, Go right ahead, its your money. I will be much smarter than to give into gas and I will buy something that is priced right for what it is. The Only reason Gibsons cost that much is becasue, you schmucks will pay that m uch for them and you will probally pay even more when the prices are raised. Boycott them for a while and prices might come down to a reasonable level. Hell, they even might start costing what they are actually worth IMO!
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Wattage said:
Factory flames is like, uhm, how do I say this without violating forum policies????? Kind of lame.
Flames are custom, supposed to be custom, no one else is supposed to have the same flames you have, it just doesn't work.
I love the guitar though.
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I agree 101%

Dave, it's cool bro! I happen to think if you find a good Gibson it is worth the asking price most of the time...now finding a killer Gibson is a different thread all together, this was simply about price not QC.

Anyway...how ya been?
 
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

bigalthethird said:
To whoever was laughing at me, I agree that Eiphones are not Gibsons. They are not the same. But buying a good Epiphone will sound vaer close to many Gibbys. They don't sustain or resonate quite as long, and they certainly aren't as pretty. But they are fine guitars.
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The new epiphones suck and so do the new gibsons, and they are both a complete rippoff!
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

theodie said:
The Only reason Gibsons cost that much is becasue, you schmucks will pay that much for them and you will probally pay even more when the prices are raised.
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I still love ya big Dave! :laugh2:
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Gibson will charge what people will pay. It's simple. If it's not worth it to you, or you can't afford it, buy used or don't buy it. It doesn't change the fact that whatever percieved QC issues come out of Nashville, it's still the standard by which dual humbuckered guitars are measured by. Why do people refer to Edwards and Agiles as "Les Pauls?" Why do people have to say that Heritages are "the same thing as a Gibson with better quality AND made in the old Gibson factory by former Gibson employees?" Do those guitars not stand up on their own? Why are so many guitars based off Gibson's designs? Because they suck? Because the guitars are crap?

I have no love for the Gibson company. Henry J. did a great thing by bringing Gibson back from circling the bowl, but where Gibson has gone in the past 4 years is detracting from good and great guitars.
 
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Stratcat said:
The new epiphones suck and so do the new gibsons, and they are both a complete rippoff!
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Coming from Stratcat, that's not a shock. But I tend to agree. They don't suck, but they're not the best. I own a 2001 Epi, and it suits me just fine, moreso than any other guitar I've played (in my price range). My buddy has a Goldtop Gibson, and that one plays like butter. I like it a lot.
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

the guy who invented fire said:
Nobody complains about Fender guitars that are $2000-$3000 and those are alder and ash bodies with bolted on necks, nobody complains about the $2000+ guitars from Ibanez that have basswood bodies, or the $2000+ made in japan ESP guitars, the nearly $3000 made in japan Gretsch guitars, the close to (and over in some cases) $3000 Dean guitars...so why does everybody feel the need to hate Gibson?
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The reason nobody complains about anybody but Gibson is the other brands QC people actually do their jobs.

Also, like Dave said, look at what you can get from Fender for $2000. You can get one hell of a Strat or Tele for a grand, then hot rod the crap out of it, and still have enough to buy a pedal or two.
 
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The Golden Boy said:
Why do people have to say that Heritages are "the same thing as a Gibson with better quality AND made in the old Gibson factory by former Gibson employees?" Do those guitars not stand up on their own? Why are so many guitars based off Gibson's designs? Because they suck? Because the guitars are crap?
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There you have a point, Golden Boy. The thing is just that Gibson set some very good standards in the fifties and if you're a guitar manufacturer these days it's pretty damn hard NOT to copy the models all the kids want to play. As a Heritage player I must say Heritage are about the only ones more or less entitled to make Gibson-like models because of the very same reasons you mentioned. After Gibson moved to Nashville they still used the Kalamazoo plant for a while to produce extra quality Gibson Les Pauls under the supervision of some of the current Heritage owners.
So the Gibson DESIGNS are not crap and they don't suck, but I read and hear quite a few complaints people have about the value for money Gibson gives us nowadays. Of course we'll never really know the whole truth because the matter is so subjective.
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

If funds are tight then quit wasting your money on new guitars. Buy used. I don't buy any new guitars.

Lew
 
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I was at my local music store yesterday and I too am surprised how much some Les Paul's are selling for. I have a swamp ash Studio that I bought 2 years ago for $1,050.00 w/case out the door, as was the price on all LP Studio's. It's gone up $200.00 in price!

As much as I love my LP one day I really would like to have a "real" Les Paul. Meaning mahogony body with the maple top, but there are concerns. Maybe it had something to do with the swamp ash, but my LP took a very long time to finally "settle in" and play in tune despite many trips for setups. Some days it was ridiculous trying to keep that guitar in tune. Plus, do I really want to spend THAT much money and take a chance with possible tuning problems again? Those Edwards guitars are starting to look pretty good these days.
 
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

I love Gibsons, but I have been on the "outside-looking-in" for the most part. I will continue to be so, unless I win the Lottery.

That said, tons of energy is spent searching for Gibson "this", and Fender "that" doesn't not make for better songwriting and composition. To dismiss the Big Two is utterly ignorant. By 1970's standards we live in a Golden Age of instruments and gear. You do not need a USA Gibson anymore, if you cannot afford a new one.

There was also a time, where there was little choice between the $40 Sears or Woolworth's guitar, and a Les Paul/Strat.

Gibson needs to be more creative at the top so its employees can grow the company. Is Gibson under the same economic union pension distress that may send GM and Ford into bankruptcy?

The used market is where it is at...but at least it is not as hard as buying an amp, IMHO!
 
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