@#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

[Benjy_26]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Um.... What? :smack:

What I meant is that even if it were possible to completely spec out a LP through Warmoth, you still would'nt get 100% there. That is to say, you're right. A LP is worth more than $1000 when you get down to it.

 

[Mephis]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Clapton can afford to play any guitar he wants. He plays Fenders because quite simply, they play and sound better than Gibsons. "That's the Truth, and nothing but the Truth".

Can you just accept that some people would rather have a set neck mahogany 24.75 scale guitar over an alder slab with a bolt on?

 

[The Golden Boy]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Clapton can afford to play any guitar he wants. He plays Fenders because quite simply, they play and sound better than Gibsons. "That's the Truth, and nothing but the Truth".

:werd:

Dude, what's with you agreeing with your own posts?

Clapton plays Strats because he likes them. Not that they're "better" than Gibsons.

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Clapton can afford to play any guitar he wants. He plays Fenders because quite simply, they play and sound better than Gibsons. "That's the Truth, and nothing but the Truth".

That isn't the truth, it's nothing more than your opinion. Also, judging by your previous statements about A/B fenders and Gibby's at Guitar Center and your results, I'd take your opinions with a grain of salt.

 

[Stratcat]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Can you just accept that some people would rather have a set neck mahogany 24.75 scale guitar over an alder slab with a bolt on?

Sure,
but the bottom line is, a set in neck does not sound better , just ask Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton or David Gilmour.

 

[Mephis]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Sure,
but the bottom line is, a set in neck does not sound better , just ask Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton or David Gilmour.

It sustains better.

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Ok well if you use the most expensive model gretsch makes then ya it apperas that way but I perfer my $360 gretsch pro jet to LPs. The feel and play a million times better IMO (I hate gibson necks). Look at some of your $3000 gibbsy that suck and then remind me who gets ripped off. Ahh yes it is you, I almost forgot.

Sorry, I don't own ANY guitars that suck. ALso, what I posted previously wren't appearances, just cold, hard numbers. if you feel that your sub $400 Korean copy is fantastic, then more power to you. I have plenty of Jap and korean guitars that are fantastic. The bottom line remains, only a Gibby is a Gibby. If you can't find one that you like for less than $3,000, that's too bad. All I have to say is that my LP Std blows away plenty of high end guitars and I got it for way less than $1800.

 

[The Golden Boy]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Sure,
but the bottom line is, a set in neck does not sound better , just ask Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton or David Gilmour.

It sustains better.

The method of construction has little to do with sustain or "tone." It has more to do with materials and the workmanship.

If a set neck sustains "better" than a bolt on, then a neck thru should sustain "better." But that's not true, IME.

Bringing up Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton or David Gilmour doesn't give any validity to your posts, neither does posting a picture of Jimmy Page making a funny face.

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Sure,
but the bottom line is, a set in neck does not sound better , just ask Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton or David Gilmour.

Then why do these three cats still use Gibby's in the studio?

 

[matt99camero]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

The thing about Fender vs Gibson for me is the pricing on the lower end models. Talking new guitars here, you can own a real Fender Strat for $400. To own a real Gibson you have to pay almost twice that, which would be the LP faded double cutaway or the LP Jr. Most people either love or hate the Fender MIM series, but you can take a MIM Strat, hot rod the heck out and it and be around the price of the low end Gibsons. Sure there are alot of great copies and varitions out there, but IMO there is nothing like holding a real, brand new, Gibson or Fender in your hands. It just seems like Fender caters to the working musician more so than Gibson. Fender makes good guitars for the average joe, where I think Gibson is going for the rich, to much money to know what to do with crowd, and there guitars may or may not be outstanding. I bet Gibson couldn't put out a $400 guitar with the quality of a Standard Strat.

 

[dgk2448]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Clapton can afford to play any guitar he wants. He plays Fenders because quite simply, they play and sound better than Gibsons. "That's the Truth, and nothing but the Truth".

I dont agree with that statement, due to the fact that most of rocks great recordings have come with the use of gibsons. Led Zeppelin, Ac/dc, AND cream albums were made using gibsons. Although Jimmy and Clapton have used different guitars[clapton with strats] Page with teles on recordings. I believe that every player has that one guitar that is THE guitar for them, and to say one guitar sounds and plays better than another is :bsflag: and :lame: . Its just a personal opinion.

 

[The Golden Boy]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Ok well if you use the most expensive model gretsch makes then ya it apperas that way but I perfer my $360 gretsch pro jet to LPs. The feel and play a million times better IMO (I hate gibson necks). Look at some of your $3000 gibbsy that suck and then remind me who gets ripped off. Ahh yes it is you, I almost forgot.

I've owned a lot of kickass guitars. I've owned a lot of crappy guitars. My 3K Gibson stomps them all, thank you. I don't feel the least bit "ripped off."

Thanks for your concern.

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

It can be argued that a MIM isn't a "real" Fender. Also, many forget that Fender indeed does cater to the "average Joe". Leo Fender himself, when asked about the Tele's design, said that he wanted to build a gitar that cowboys could throw in the back of their pickup, get to the gig, and play. this is a stark contrast with Gibson's ethos of building (or attemting to build) the best traditional style guitar on the market.


In the end, to me at least, the Fender vs. Gibson argument is akin to Apples vs. Oranges. A more relevant comparison would be Gibson vs PRS vs Hamer or Fender vs G&L vs Anderson.

 

[Liquid]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

Sorry, I don't own ANY guitars that suck. ALso, what I posted previously wren't appearances, just cold, hard numbers. if you feel that your sub $400 Korean copy is fantastic, then more power to you. I have plenty of Jap and korean guitars that are fantastic. The bottom line remains, only a Gibby is a Gibby. If you can't find one that you like for less than $3,000, that's too bad. All I have to say is that my LP Std blows away plenty of high end guitars and I got it for way less than $1800.

Ya well I just dont feel $1800 is even worth what you get out of a LP.

 

[The Golden Boy]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

The thing about Fender vs Gibson for me is the pricing on the lower end models. Talking new guitars here, you can own a real Fender Strat for $400. To own a real Gibson you have to pay almost twice that, which would be the LP faded double cutaway or the LP Jr. Most people either love or hate the Fender MIM series, but you can take a MIM Strat, hot rod the heck out and it and be around the price of the low end Gibsons. Sure there are alot of great copies and varitions out there, but IMO there is nothing like holding a real, brand new, Gibson or Fender in your hands. It just seems like Fender caters to the working musician more so than Gibson. Fender makes good guitars for the average joe, where I think Gibson is going for the rich, to much money to know what to do with crowd, and there guitars may or may not be outstanding. I bet Gibson couldn't put out a $400 guitar with the quality of a Standard Strat.

Does Fender make a MIA model Strat for $400? Does Fender make any $400 MIA model? Anything branded "Gibson" is made in the USA.

 

[Mephis]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

It can be argued that a MIM isn't a "real" Fender. Also, many forget that Fender indeed does cater to the "average Joe". Leo Fender himself, when asked about the Tele's design, said that he wanted to build a gitar that cowboys could throw in the back of their pickup, get to the gig, and play. this is a stark contrast with Gibson's ethos of building (or attemting to build) the best traditional style guitar on the market.


In the end, to me at least, the Fender vs. Gibson argument is akin to Apples vs. Oranges. A more relevant comparison would be Gibson vs PRS vs Hamer or Fender vs G&L vs Anderson.

MiMs are certantly a fender. You can either have a guitar made in mexico by mexicans or you can have one made in california made by mexicans.

I've seen their factory, very little is hand done anymore...

Sure, they do use better materials in MIA models along with better QC, but the basics are still the same.

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

MiMs are certantly a fender. You can either have a guitar made in mexico by mexicans or you can have one made in california made by mexicans.

I've seen their factory, very little is hand done anymore...

Sure, they do use better materials in MIA models along with better QC, but the basics are still the same.

If I'm not mistaken, you have to be a US citizen to work in the US, correct?

So, you have tthe same basic design, one built in Mexico by Mexicans and one built in the US by Americans.

As far as materials and factory accomodations, the same can be said for Gibson and Epi or an other maker with a Us line and an offshore line (PRS and their SE's).

Using your logic, all of my Epi's would automatically become Giby's. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

 

[dgk2448]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

If I'm not mistaken, you have to be a US citizen to work in the US, correct?

There's plenty of illegals currently working at Mcdonalds.

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

There's plenty of illegals currently working at Mcdonalds.

There's a big difference between an Egg McMuffin and a MIA Tele.

 

[dgk2448]

Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$

There's a big difference between an Egg McMuffin and a MIA Tele.

I dont think there is much still done by hand at fenders american plant. There was a show not too long ago on t.v. that showed their shop.