@#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
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Gearjoneser
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
If I was jonesing for that guitar and didn't have the Historic wallet, I'd just try and scoop up a black Standard for around $1300, and replace the pots with the type that accomodates chrome speed knobs, change the switchtip to silver, and put in the best Duncans. Then, you'd have something about as good as a $3300 Lp, only it'd cost a total of $1475.
If I was jonesing for that guitar and didn't have the Historic wallet, I'd just try and scoop up a black Standard for around $1300, and replace the pots with the type that accomodates chrome speed knobs, change the switchtip to silver, and put in the best Duncans. Then, you'd have something about as good as a $3300 Lp, only it'd cost a total of $1475.
Jacques
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
What are real Americans?
Admittedly I'm looking at you guys from the outside, but are you not all immigrants?
So a factory with real Americans would have to be run by Chief Broken String with his Assistant Chiefs Endless Sustain and his squaw Bone Nut.
:usa1:
Mephis said:
What are real Americans?
Admittedly I'm looking at you guys from the outside, but are you not all immigrants?
So a factory with real Americans would have to be run by Chief Broken String with his Assistant Chiefs Endless Sustain and his squaw Bone Nut.
:usa1:
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theodie
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
Thats correct, for blues lawyers!!!!:chairfall :chairfall :chairfall
Stratcat said:
Thats correct, for blues lawyers!!!!:chairfall :chairfall :chairfall
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
If I'm economically minded it does.
Holy crap I can't believe I'm getting into this thread.
Let me tell all of you a story...
About 3 years ago I traded of my Gibson LP Custom, which was supposed to be my grail guitar, off for a Dr. Z Maz Jr. Why? The custom was a turd. It weighed in around 12-13lbs, the peghead inlays were so-so at best when you looked closely at it, and the fretwork was atrocious!!!
That night I played a red 1997 R8 with Ants.
I couldn't believe that guitar came out of the same factory/state/country as the custom. I told that guy if he ever wanted to unload it he needed to call me.
After Henry J put all emphasis on profit and my local dealer was ousted from Gibson I decided to boycott Gibson.
A year later I picked up a Heritage H-150. Awesome AWESOME guitar. The build quality is definitely up there with the Custom shop, and it was very homey feeling. The fingerboard had real MOP inlays which I really liked. The only issue I had was (A) Headstock (I don't hate it like most) (B) No peghead inlay. I don't know why that bothered me but it did, the same thing with a LP studio.
About 2-3 months ago I started thinking that I wanted a larger neck, being I already had the Heritage, and their profiles are more modern I started thinking about maybe picking up a historic Gibson. I still have/had problems with Henry J, but I figured that there was some more to the dealership thing than I was being told by my local dealer since I saw there STILL were some Ma and Pop dealers that sold Gibson.
About a month ago I received a call from the guy who I got the Dr. Z from asking me if I was still interested in the guitar. That kind of caught me off guard since I wasn't thinking of getting anything for sometime, and I hadn't reconciled the issues in my mind. He let me borrow the guitar for a few days and I tell you truly, I liked it better than the Heritage. Maybe it's just that my tastes have changed, I don't know but the larger neck felt more natural to me, and the long neck tenon had some kind of mojo going on and the notes had extra definition. I wasn't as sold on the Ants as I once had been, but I could deal. A week later I bought the guitar minus the Ants and with a Seth.
Gibson turns out their share of turds, but their great guitars are very inspiring.
The famous people playing brands of guitars means nothing to me, I care about tone, and feel.
Luke
Liquid said:
If I'm economically minded it does.
Holy crap I can't believe I'm getting into this thread.
Let me tell all of you a story...
About 3 years ago I traded of my Gibson LP Custom, which was supposed to be my grail guitar, off for a Dr. Z Maz Jr. Why? The custom was a turd. It weighed in around 12-13lbs, the peghead inlays were so-so at best when you looked closely at it, and the fretwork was atrocious!!!
That night I played a red 1997 R8 with Ants.
After Henry J put all emphasis on profit and my local dealer was ousted from Gibson I decided to boycott Gibson.
A year later I picked up a Heritage H-150. Awesome AWESOME guitar. The build quality is definitely up there with the Custom shop, and it was very homey feeling. The fingerboard had real MOP inlays which I really liked. The only issue I had was (A) Headstock (I don't hate it like most) (B) No peghead inlay. I don't know why that bothered me but it did, the same thing with a LP studio.
About 2-3 months ago I started thinking that I wanted a larger neck, being I already had the Heritage, and their profiles are more modern I started thinking about maybe picking up a historic Gibson. I still have/had problems with Henry J, but I figured that there was some more to the dealership thing than I was being told by my local dealer since I saw there STILL were some Ma and Pop dealers that sold Gibson.
About a month ago I received a call from the guy who I got the Dr. Z from asking me if I was still interested in the guitar. That kind of caught me off guard since I wasn't thinking of getting anything for sometime, and I hadn't reconciled the issues in my mind. He let me borrow the guitar for a few days and I tell you truly, I liked it better than the Heritage. Maybe it's just that my tastes have changed, I don't know but the larger neck felt more natural to me, and the long neck tenon had some kind of mojo going on and the notes had extra definition. I wasn't as sold on the Ants as I once had been, but I could deal. A week later I bought the guitar minus the Ants and with a Seth.
Gibson turns out their share of turds, but their great guitars are very inspiring.
The famous people playing brands of guitars means nothing to me, I care about tone, and feel.
Luke
Rushfan2112
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
While I won't comment on the age of Stratcat and Liquid, I agree on the Guitar Center part. Guitar Center just buys all the Les Paul Standards they can, and maybe get a histortic reissue. I've played them all down at my Guitar Center, and all of them had major QC issues. I'm not going to play the "Gibson Sucks" game, but when GC gets a bad guitar, I feel that they should send it back and get a new one. Of course, someone will say that it all comes back to Gibson, and it does.
I agree that QC has been dropping, even in the past year alone. As people have mentioned here, the prices just keep going up up up! As mentioned by others, the only way that they'll go down is not buying them! I won't say that Gibson is only made for rich people. You can buy pretty expensive Fenders, PRS', Jacksons, etc. But they're cheapest guitars aren't exactly "just like their big brothers". I think some of the appeal of MIM Fenders are that they look and feel (to a point) like their American counterpart, and are cheap in comparison. The cheapest Gibson is a Melody Maker, a one P90 flat top Santa Maria guitar. That's for $529. For around that price you can get a Deluxe Nashville Tele or a Fender FR Strat, and for less you can get the Standard MIMs with a little money left over. See what I mean? For less money, you can play what your idols play over with Fender, except without the price (or quality). The lowest price Gibson with mahogany/maple arch top (or whatever that's called) with 2 humbuckers is $849. Some will say "If you want a cheap Les Paul, just get an Epiphone", but the fact is, it says Epiphone on the headstock. I think that's some of the appeal of a MIM Fender-- It's still a Fender! Where it was made, that's always debated, but the fact is, you're still playing a Fender guitar.
This is what also makes me want to buy a Gibson Les Paul Junior over an Edwards Les Paul Special. The Special has 2 P90s, a groovy TV yellow finish, and it the same price sans shipping. I'm also debating a Reverend Jetstream 390-- 3 P90s set up like a Strat for more versatility. But there's something about the Gibson when I played it that was Gibson-y, ya know? It had a vibe from it, like "All my guitar heros have played Gibsons, and now I am" kind of thing.
Well, to stop rambling and cap it all up-- Gibson does make guitars for the "working man", but they're more specialized (flat tops, P90s, etc.)
-- Whether it's from Mexico or the US of A, a Fender is still a Fender, and that could be what draws people towards MIM Fenders.
-- Buy used!!!!!!
Ez74 said:
While I won't comment on the age of Stratcat and Liquid, I agree on the Guitar Center part. Guitar Center just buys all the Les Paul Standards they can, and maybe get a histortic reissue. I've played them all down at my Guitar Center, and all of them had major QC issues. I'm not going to play the "Gibson Sucks" game, but when GC gets a bad guitar, I feel that they should send it back and get a new one. Of course, someone will say that it all comes back to Gibson, and it does.
I agree that QC has been dropping, even in the past year alone. As people have mentioned here, the prices just keep going up up up! As mentioned by others, the only way that they'll go down is not buying them! I won't say that Gibson is only made for rich people. You can buy pretty expensive Fenders, PRS', Jacksons, etc. But they're cheapest guitars aren't exactly "just like their big brothers". I think some of the appeal of MIM Fenders are that they look and feel (to a point) like their American counterpart, and are cheap in comparison. The cheapest Gibson is a Melody Maker, a one P90 flat top Santa Maria guitar. That's for $529. For around that price you can get a Deluxe Nashville Tele or a Fender FR Strat, and for less you can get the Standard MIMs with a little money left over. See what I mean? For less money, you can play what your idols play over with Fender, except without the price (or quality). The lowest price Gibson with mahogany/maple arch top (or whatever that's called) with 2 humbuckers is $849. Some will say "If you want a cheap Les Paul, just get an Epiphone", but the fact is, it says Epiphone on the headstock. I think that's some of the appeal of a MIM Fender-- It's still a Fender! Where it was made, that's always debated, but the fact is, you're still playing a Fender guitar.
This is what also makes me want to buy a Gibson Les Paul Junior over an Edwards Les Paul Special. The Special has 2 P90s, a groovy TV yellow finish, and it the same price sans shipping. I'm also debating a Reverend Jetstream 390-- 3 P90s set up like a Strat for more versatility. But there's something about the Gibson when I played it that was Gibson-y, ya know? It had a vibe from it, like "All my guitar heros have played Gibsons, and now I am" kind of thing.
Well, to stop rambling and cap it all up-- Gibson does make guitars for the "working man", but they're more specialized (flat tops, P90s, etc.)
-- Whether it's from Mexico or the US of A, a Fender is still a Fender, and that could be what draws people towards MIM Fenders.
-- Buy used!!!!!!
captain cavman
New member
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
In fact , when I read all that thread , everybody agree upon Gibbies to be overpriced, low quality control and workmanship but everybody play one or would like to buy one !:laugh2:
just jokin'
In fact , when I read all that thread , everybody agree upon Gibbies to be overpriced, low quality control and workmanship but everybody play one or would like to buy one !:laugh2:
just jokin'
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
That implies that you're depending on your guitar not being a Gibson (or not being a this or that, or being a that or a this) to give you your unique/different sound. If true, that is not a good thing.
Give 100 guys 100 LP's and 100 Marshalls and for better or worse, they will all sound different.
Liquid said:
That implies that you're depending on your guitar not being a Gibson (or not being a this or that, or being a that or a this) to give you your unique/different sound. If true, that is not a good thing.
Give 100 guys 100 LP's and 100 Marshalls and for better or worse, they will all sound different.
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
If you have the gain cranked up high enough, you wouldn't hear the difference between any guitar and a sax or piano. Gain set to beehive levels will neutralize the even the very worst and very best tone.
Stratcat said:
If you have the gain cranked up high enough, you wouldn't hear the difference between any guitar and a sax or piano. Gain set to beehive levels will neutralize the even the very worst and very best tone.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
I never claim anyone is "unAmerican" for where there gear comes from. I play through a Marshall most of the time! The way I see it people who buy products made elsewhere (specifically second and third world countries)simply because of price lose their right to complain about outsourced jobs or low wages at home.
For the record though I do have Godin which is a joint Canada/US guitar. I'd also like a Patrick Eggle one day.
Luke
Liquid said:
I never claim anyone is "unAmerican" for where there gear comes from. I play through a Marshall most of the time! The way I see it people who buy products made elsewhere (specifically second and third world countries)simply because of price lose their right to complain about outsourced jobs or low wages at home.
For the record though I do have Godin which is a joint Canada/US guitar. I'd also like a Patrick Eggle one day.
Luke
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
I just wish they still made the P90 version...
Mephis said:Wrong.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/prod...ecial-SL-Humbucker-Electric-Guitar?sku=517279
How many MIA strats can you get new for $650. This is made in america, by real americans and is actually a very nice guitar.
I just wish they still made the P90 version...
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
No, I was born here.
If that's going to be the standard, then EVERYONE is an immigrant, including Chief Broken String whose ancestors wandered across from Asia over that long tenon linking Alaska to Siberia 50,000 years ago.
I have a touch of Chief Broken String blood in me so I can say this. Actually, anyone can -- the truth is the truth, no matter whose mouth it comes out of.
Jacques said:
No, I was born here.
Jacques said:
If that's going to be the standard, then EVERYONE is an immigrant, including Chief Broken String whose ancestors wandered across from Asia over that long tenon linking Alaska to Siberia 50,000 years ago.
I have a touch of Chief Broken String blood in me so I can say this. Actually, anyone can -- the truth is the truth, no matter whose mouth it comes out of.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
The Godin LG is very close, but......it is a bolt on neck. I love mine though!
As the guitar in question shows there are cheap Gibsons to be had. The thing is that everybody wants the aesthetics of the high end models.
Luke
Zhangliqun said:
The Godin LG is very close, but......it is a bolt on neck. I love mine though!
As the guitar in question shows there are cheap Gibsons to be had. The thing is that everybody wants the aesthetics of the high end models.
Luke
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TheArchitect
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
You are absolutely correct. I there is nothing that sounds, plays or looks as wildly inconsistant as Gibson guitars.Benjy_26 said:
