@#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
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Jacques
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
Is that the REALLY long tenon, I mean right up to underneath the neck pick up?:jester:
What I meant to say, Zhangliqun, is that indeed everybody is to some extent an immigrant, so it's rather rediculous to state that say an American citizen of Mexican origin would glue a better neck than his cousin who's still on the other side of the border. It's the manufacturing process and the way it is guided that makes the difference, not the labourers. These days the Far Eastern factories are very well equipped as is proven by the excellent reviews guitars from China, Indonesia, Vietnam, and Korea are getting. The good name of American made guitars originates in the Fifties when they were simply the best. If Gibson doesn't watch out it's reputation may deteriorate, just like what happended with Western electronics and cars.
By the way: do cherish that bit of The American Indian in your genes. Think of another great example: Jimi Hendrix
Zhangliqun said:
Is that the REALLY long tenon, I mean right up to underneath the neck pick up?:jester:
What I meant to say, Zhangliqun, is that indeed everybody is to some extent an immigrant, so it's rather rediculous to state that say an American citizen of Mexican origin would glue a better neck than his cousin who's still on the other side of the border. It's the manufacturing process and the way it is guided that makes the difference, not the labourers. These days the Far Eastern factories are very well equipped as is proven by the excellent reviews guitars from China, Indonesia, Vietnam, and Korea are getting. The good name of American made guitars originates in the Fifties when they were simply the best. If Gibson doesn't watch out it's reputation may deteriorate, just like what happended with Western electronics and cars.
By the way: do cherish that bit of The American Indian in your genes. Think of another great example: Jimi Hendrix
Luke Duke
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
Actually I think the forum has been getting progressively better recently.
BTW what's this stuff about the "working man or working musician"? Isn't that why we all get paid to buy things? What I see the problem to be is that most people want instant gratification and don't want to have to save money to buy whatever piece of gear, car, etc.
When I want to save money I:
(A) Eat out less
(B) Don't have nights "out on the town"
(C) Don't buy tobacco products
That saves TONS of money for whatever.
Actually for most guitars I like vintage style wire. Why wouldn't a working musician be able to afford a refret?
Luke
Liquid said:
Actually I think the forum has been getting progressively better recently.
BTW what's this stuff about the "working man or working musician"? Isn't that why we all get paid to buy things? What I see the problem to be is that most people want instant gratification and don't want to have to save money to buy whatever piece of gear, car, etc.
When I want to save money I:
(A) Eat out less
(B) Don't have nights "out on the town"
(C) Don't buy tobacco products
That saves TONS of money for whatever.
JB_from_Hell said:
Actually for most guitars I like vintage style wire. Why wouldn't a working musician be able to afford a refret?
Luke
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TheArchitect
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
Thought you were a teenager too.
Liquid said:
Thought you were a teenager too.
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TheArchitect
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
A guitar?
A guitar?
MikeS
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
This month’s Gibson bashing has been brought to you by Midol…
Why can’t some people accept the fact that some of us guitar players actually love the Gibsons we own because we believe they play and sound wonderful? Can we leave it at that? Can you Gibson haters pull the wrinkled panties out of your hind ends and get over it already? This Gibson bashing goes on about once a month and it’s getting very old. Grow up already!
This month’s Gibson bashing has been brought to you by Midol…
Why can’t some people accept the fact that some of us guitar players actually love the Gibsons we own because we believe they play and sound wonderful? Can we leave it at that? Can you Gibson haters pull the wrinkled panties out of your hind ends and get over it already? This Gibson bashing goes on about once a month and it’s getting very old. Grow up already!
hareek
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
I play a strat right now. It was my first dream electric guitar. But I love gibsons. I want an ES335 and Les Paul to add to my collection one day. I just think they can come down a little on their prices. I mean they're obviously excellent guitars. The company wouldn't still be around if they werent, and the pros wouldn't still be rockin them either! Heck, I put SD lil '59s in my strat to make it sound more like a gibson!
MikeS said:
I play a strat right now. It was my first dream electric guitar. But I love gibsons. I want an ES335 and Les Paul to add to my collection one day. I just think they can come down a little on their prices. I mean they're obviously excellent guitars. The company wouldn't still be around if they werent, and the pros wouldn't still be rockin them either! Heck, I put SD lil '59s in my strat to make it sound more like a gibson!
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TheArchitect
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
I don't see anyone else onstage so maybe the answer is himself?
I don't see anyone else onstage so maybe the answer is himself?
MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
Yeah, I wish Mercedes and BMW would come down in price, too. I've always wanted one of those...
Not bashing on anyone, but the $$ argument isn't logical to me at all. Sure I wish authentic LPs were cheaper, but it seems some people need to do a little research in economics. Perhaps some have heard of a little thing called supply and demand?
hareek said:
Yeah, I wish Mercedes and BMW would come down in price, too. I've always wanted one of those...
Not bashing on anyone, but the $$ argument isn't logical to me at all. Sure I wish authentic LPs were cheaper, but it seems some people need to do a little research in economics. Perhaps some have heard of a little thing called supply and demand?
flank
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
the only beef i have is that every Gibson i play is not always a great guitar. Sure, the good ones may or may not be worth it, depending on the person, but for the money they charge, i think every one of them should be a great guitar. I have played more than a few that i felt were truly not worth the money.
the only beef i have is that every Gibson i play is not always a great guitar. Sure, the good ones may or may not be worth it, depending on the person, but for the money they charge, i think every one of them should be a great guitar. I have played more than a few that i felt were truly not worth the money.
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
How does that prove that they "care about the working musician"? And besides, there are a lot of working musicians who don't like tall frets.
And did you notice the price of Fenders has been climbing almost as fast as Gibson?
Yup, I'm feelin' the love...
JB_From_Hell said:
How does that prove that they "care about the working musician"? And besides, there are a lot of working musicians who don't like tall frets.
And did you notice the price of Fenders has been climbing almost as fast as Gibson?
Yup, I'm feelin' the love...
matt99camero
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
Wow, the "working musician" phrase sure has gotten alot of use after I said it. By "working musician" I think of a guy who is out there trying to make a name for himself while struggling to support him and his family. I guess I kinda brought Fender into this, but I just used Fender as an example. It was just an observation that I made. Most of the other big companies make budget guitars for people like me. I'm a student trying to pay bills and play on the side, I can't hold down a full time job, I probably make $5000 a year. There is no way I can drop $2000 for a single guitar, but I can afford a $400 Standard Strat. I've spent probably $3000 on guitar gear in the last 3 years and have a nice collection of mid leval guitar gear. I'd much rather have that then one really nice guitar. I do have a Gibson LP Jr. and I love it, but I had to save my butt of just to get that. If I had the money you can bet your ass I'd buy a LP Custom, but I don't, if you do then great. I just think with Gibson's pricing they cut out a lot of people who they could be making sales to but they don't care about them because they probably make more money off of the sale of one Les Paul Standard as Fender does off of the sale of two or three Standard Strats.
Wow, the "working musician" phrase sure has gotten alot of use after I said it. By "working musician" I think of a guy who is out there trying to make a name for himself while struggling to support him and his family. I guess I kinda brought Fender into this, but I just used Fender as an example. It was just an observation that I made. Most of the other big companies make budget guitars for people like me. I'm a student trying to pay bills and play on the side, I can't hold down a full time job, I probably make $5000 a year. There is no way I can drop $2000 for a single guitar, but I can afford a $400 Standard Strat. I've spent probably $3000 on guitar gear in the last 3 years and have a nice collection of mid leval guitar gear. I'd much rather have that then one really nice guitar. I do have a Gibson LP Jr. and I love it, but I had to save my butt of just to get that. If I had the money you can bet your ass I'd buy a LP Custom, but I don't, if you do then great. I just think with Gibson's pricing they cut out a lot of people who they could be making sales to but they don't care about them because they probably make more money off of the sale of one Les Paul Standard as Fender does off of the sale of two or three Standard Strats.
Zhangliqun
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
So you're 19 then?
Liquid said:
So you're 19 then?
hareek
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
they do if you go over to europe. but here in the US you pay for imports. A mercedes and BMW in europe and asia costs just as much as your regular Ford and Chevy here. So not a good comparison. I said it before and I'll say it again, your standard Les Paul is not $1500 or $2000 better than your American Series Strat. For $2500 or $3000, you can get a handmade PRS that you know will be top quality. Like I said I'm not bashing Gibson, I love the company and their product. I just think its a bit overpriced for what your getting.
MikeS said:Yeah, I wish Mercedes and BMW would come down in price, too. I've always wanted one of those...
they do if you go over to europe. but here in the US you pay for imports. A mercedes and BMW in europe and asia costs just as much as your regular Ford and Chevy here. So not a good comparison. I said it before and I'll say it again, your standard Les Paul is not $1500 or $2000 better than your American Series Strat. For $2500 or $3000, you can get a handmade PRS that you know will be top quality. Like I said I'm not bashing Gibson, I love the company and their product. I just think its a bit overpriced for what your getting.
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
They apparently don't cut enough people out to hurt their bottom line enough to drive their prices down.
I love LP's, have just one, but have owned about 10 over the years, wish I could have kept them all. Do I wish they were cheaper? OH YEAH.
Do I think every decision Henry J. & Co. makes is brilliant? Oh noooo.... The internet picture thing is just a fiasco, and even they seem to have realized that because they have relented in some cases:
http://www.guitarsale.com/Gibson-d6425.music
Driving the mom-and-pops out of the franchise if they hold less than $150,000 worth on the walls at any given moment -- well, I'd have to know more about WHY they're doing that before I could say it was a truly bad decision, though strictly from a customer's POV, I definitely don't like it. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
My main beef with Gibson has been the very shaky fretwork over the past 10 years, though that seems to be improving over the past year or two. There really isn't any excuse for that.
But the best solution, even better than a boycott, to improve Gibson quality is to simply leave the lousy ones on the shelves and buy only the killer ones. Anyone who gets stuck with a crummy LP, it's their own fault for either not playing it first it or for not being able to tell a good one from a bad one even after they tried it out. That doesn't mean Gibson shouldn't handle things a little better from their end, but we've got to hold up ours. If we're real guitar players, we should know a real guitar when we play it. If we don't, we're just posers who deserve to get ripped off.
As for buying a Fender as a substitute for a Gibson, a Strat or Tele just doesn't cut it. They're just very different critters and assuming in a fantasy way for a moment that real LP's were cheaper than Teles and Strats, I wouldn't recommend an LP as a substitute for either one. It's just a totally different sound/feel/vibe. But real Gibsons are available to guys like you, your Junior and the Special pictured earlier in another post being the proof, and they're even a lot cheaper in the classifieds.
That said, no offense, but Gibson LP's aren't intended for struggling students. But you won't be a struggling student forever and in a few years when you're working full-time, I bet you'll have yourself a real LP, maybe even a Historic. I certainly wish you the best there -- they are another notch or two above the average USA Les Paul and you won't be sorry. But even there, be very choosy -- even a great guitar isn't for every player. Get the one that just sends you into orbit and settle for nothing less...
matt99camero said:
They apparently don't cut enough people out to hurt their bottom line enough to drive their prices down.
I love LP's, have just one, but have owned about 10 over the years, wish I could have kept them all. Do I wish they were cheaper? OH YEAH.
Do I think every decision Henry J. & Co. makes is brilliant? Oh noooo.... The internet picture thing is just a fiasco, and even they seem to have realized that because they have relented in some cases:
http://www.guitarsale.com/Gibson-d6425.music
Driving the mom-and-pops out of the franchise if they hold less than $150,000 worth on the walls at any given moment -- well, I'd have to know more about WHY they're doing that before I could say it was a truly bad decision, though strictly from a customer's POV, I definitely don't like it. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
My main beef with Gibson has been the very shaky fretwork over the past 10 years, though that seems to be improving over the past year or two. There really isn't any excuse for that.
But the best solution, even better than a boycott, to improve Gibson quality is to simply leave the lousy ones on the shelves and buy only the killer ones. Anyone who gets stuck with a crummy LP, it's their own fault for either not playing it first it or for not being able to tell a good one from a bad one even after they tried it out. That doesn't mean Gibson shouldn't handle things a little better from their end, but we've got to hold up ours. If we're real guitar players, we should know a real guitar when we play it. If we don't, we're just posers who deserve to get ripped off.
As for buying a Fender as a substitute for a Gibson, a Strat or Tele just doesn't cut it. They're just very different critters and assuming in a fantasy way for a moment that real LP's were cheaper than Teles and Strats, I wouldn't recommend an LP as a substitute for either one. It's just a totally different sound/feel/vibe. But real Gibsons are available to guys like you, your Junior and the Special pictured earlier in another post being the proof, and they're even a lot cheaper in the classifieds.
That said, no offense, but Gibson LP's aren't intended for struggling students. But you won't be a struggling student forever and in a few years when you're working full-time, I bet you'll have yourself a real LP, maybe even a Historic. I certainly wish you the best there -- they are another notch or two above the average USA Les Paul and you won't be sorry. But even there, be very choosy -- even a great guitar isn't for every player. Get the one that just sends you into orbit and settle for nothing less...
Rushfan2112
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Re: @#$&$&@ gibson, why so much $$$
I think that's where the money argument is logical. If you're paying for a guitar, even if it's only $1200 for a Studio (only!? Ha!), it should still be exceptional. It should play great, and be set up for you. Of course, we'll never see this...
flank said:
I think that's where the money argument is logical. If you're paying for a guitar, even if it's only $1200 for a Studio (only!? Ha!), it should still be exceptional. It should play great, and be set up for you. Of course, we'll never see this...
