marcello252
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In case, you'll have the pickup I do prefer above any other, the APH-1, open but round, sweet, vocal, musical.
Giving the Jazz another chance
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Great description. It bumps up the mids and lowers the treble in a sweet, musical way that seems to really complement both clean and distorted sounds, especially in a 1-guitar band.
weepingminotaur
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Glad you're liking the Jazz! On the matching issue, I guess that's where people need different things. Personally, I love the versatility of having a neck pickup that can do cleans and has good articulation and sparkle. So I don't really worry to much about it needing to "match" the JB. Not matching is kind of a strength (unless the volume drop is too big). But if you're looking for something with a JB-type rolloff in the neck, then the Jazz is going to come up short.
Rex_Rocker
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Yeah, I suppose I "get" the Jazz more now. It's meant to contrast with the JB rather to blend in. It's meant to have it's own personality rather than being an extension. And that can be cool and useful too depending on the application.
I need to spend some more time with it still, but I'm liking it! It's nice to have a different-sounding pickup for when I need the ultra clean sparkle, and then bust out the other guitar with the 490R for the smoother leads.
I hated the jb/jazz for years, but having a 250k pot seemed to not just tame the shrillness but also just shift the entire vibe from shrill to just-enough cut. slap in an alnico2 (alnico2pro and... jb2?) and it's a vintage sweetness monster without getting mushy. Loving it.
Jazz/59 hybrid is my favorite though, with every magnet. alnico 2, 3, 4, 5. love it. it's got the best of both worlds.
Alternatively, the sh2b is so, so much better than the sh2n. it's a bit hotter, but it doesn't just bump the output perse but it fattens up the highs a bit so single note runs high up the fretboard don't get that singlecoil-vibe that many dislike. The sh2b is a secret weapon for me. Loving it.
but, the sh2n in bridge and neck with an alnico 8, in a flying V, SG, or LP? now, that's k i l l e r. instant 'Michael Schenker'
Jazz/59 hybrid is my favorite though, with every magnet. alnico 2, 3, 4, 5. love it. it's got the best of both worlds.
Alternatively, the sh2b is so, so much better than the sh2n. it's a bit hotter, but it doesn't just bump the output perse but it fattens up the highs a bit so single note runs high up the fretboard don't get that singlecoil-vibe that many dislike. The sh2b is a secret weapon for me. Loving it.
but, the sh2n in bridge and neck with an alnico 8, in a flying V, SG, or LP? now, that's k i l l e r. instant 'Michael Schenker'
jb/fullshred hybrid is my fav combination with that hybrid. I don't like the 59/custom that much.
I want to try the jazz neck 59 neck hybrid in the neck, and the jazz bridge 59 bridge in the bridge.
Rex_Rocker
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On the topic of pot values... yeah. I do feel like the Jazz needs to be watered down a tad.
I guess that's a plus with the Jazz. For the JB/Jazz setup, I'm using the same value pots for both. For the JB/490R setup, the 490R does need to higher pot values than the JB to balance, I feel. That being said, after that, I do feel it "balances" better. Like I was saying, I feel the JB/Jazz set is more a set about contrast than balance. Which is nice, but it's different.
I'm still on the fence wether I love it or not. I mean, I like it. Especially in isolation. I suppose I'm just more used to neck pickups that are a tad on the smoother and/or fuller side like the 490R or the Air Norton.
I've said it before, and I still feel like a pickup doesn't need to be super bright to be clear. I feel like clarity in the neck is more about low-end management. That being said, the Jazz's sparkly nature is nice.
I guess that's a plus with the Jazz. For the JB/Jazz setup, I'm using the same value pots for both. For the JB/490R setup, the 490R does need to higher pot values than the JB to balance, I feel. That being said, after that, I do feel it "balances" better. Like I was saying, I feel the JB/Jazz set is more a set about contrast than balance. Which is nice, but it's different.
I'm still on the fence wether I love it or not. I mean, I like it. Especially in isolation. I suppose I'm just more used to neck pickups that are a tad on the smoother and/or fuller side like the 490R or the Air Norton.
I've said it before, and I still feel like a pickup doesn't need to be super bright to be clear. I feel like clarity in the neck is more about low-end management. That being said, the Jazz's sparkly nature is nice.
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Rex_Rocker
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I'm the other way around. I think it sounds incredible clean. I love it there. I just think it's a tad too scoopy and attacky distorted as you go up the neck. Which normally woudl be fine, I could dial my sound around that. I just feel it contrasts a bit with the JB.
But I do think I'll try the A2 in there at some point.
Rex_Rocker
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I don't think I ever realized that before. But that makes sense. The JB/Jazz was originally made for the Tele-Gib, which would use 250k pots. I'll have to try that with my set.
marcello252
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this was my guess too on another thread about the JB , I'd like to know if it had a seed of truth from an official source, that would explain why this set in a 500K guitar is so divisive
Rex_Rocker
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I guess it depends on the tuning and the application.
For Melodic Death Metal in C, I would think 250K volume and tone would be a tad much. I can see 250K volume and no tone working, tho.
For the Jazz which has some nice high-end sparkle, OK, maybe. But for the JB, yeah 250K's ease up the upper mid spike a tad, but they also darken the high-end which the JB doesn't have much of to begin with.
For Melodic Death Metal in C, I would think 250K volume and tone would be a tad much. I can see 250K volume and no tone working, tho.
For the Jazz which has some nice high-end sparkle, OK, maybe. But for the JB, yeah 250K's ease up the upper mid spike a tad, but they also darken the high-end which the JB doesn't have much of to begin with.
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Jeff_H
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I think you might love the change from the A5 to the A2 mag if you keep the pots at 500K. Sometimes, but not always, the rolloff on the high end is too much. I find this very guitar dependent.
I would try both the mag change AND the A5 version with a 250K pot. I think your huckleberry will be in there somewhere.
I would try both the mag change AND the A5 version with a 250K pot. I think your huckleberry will be in there somewhere.
Snake Aces
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I've always been curious about the Jazz/59 hybrid
it's less honky than a 59, less shrill than a jazz. it's got a fluid lead tone that never gets mushy or muddy. the highs are clear, it's got a lot of highs I have to say, and the midrange is a bit scooped but not so much that it gets nasal. the best I can think of as an alternative, is the sentient.
fretburner
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The "honk" was most surprising to me with the Jazz neck. I thought it would have none. As it turns out, it's just less than that of the 59n, not much brighter, but surely a LOT less bass (which probably gives it the illusion of being a much brighter pup).
It's a great neck pickup if you're not after that honky "November Rain" 1st solo tone.
Rex_Rocker
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I'm still on the fence about the Jazz, honestly.
I mean... I like it. I just find it a bit odd that sometimes I'll flip the switch and find the Jazz is slightly brighter in some ways than the JB in the bridge.
But I don't dislike it to want to have to swap it out. That's for sure.
I mean... I like it. I just find it a bit odd that sometimes I'll flip the switch and find the Jazz is slightly brighter in some ways than the JB in the bridge.
But I don't dislike it to want to have to swap it out. That's for sure.
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