Young Angus
Kometose Tonologist
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Who has a hand that big!!!???
Who has a hand that big!!!???
God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
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Robert Delahunt
Showmasterologist
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
LOL man that's quite freaky. I can't see a use for it unless one side is tuned different than the other, like one side open tuning, other side standard. Even if, for instance, I had one and wanted the other strings to just be "sympathy" strings, sort of like a sitar (is this the right instrument?), what good would it do paying twice as much? lol. I could do that with a 6+12 string double neck better, because I can wrap my hands around those necks.
LOL man that's quite freaky. I can't see a use for it unless one side is tuned different than the other, like one side open tuning, other side standard. Even if, for instance, I had one and wanted the other strings to just be "sympathy" strings, sort of like a sitar (is this the right instrument?), what good would it do paying twice as much? lol. I could do that with a 6+12 string double neck better, because I can wrap my hands around those necks.
gordon_39422
New member
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
I've seen em setup where you have two separate tunings for each set of strings... just flip the guitar and play in the other tuning stead of changing axes.... of course on videos, not in person...
AND, for $2000, it should come with a HARD case!!!!! forget a gig bag!
I've seen em setup where you have two separate tunings for each set of strings... just flip the guitar and play in the other tuning stead of changing axes.... of course on videos, not in person...
AND, for $2000, it should come with a HARD case!!!!! forget a gig bag!
Young Angus
Kometose Tonologist
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
I want to see Michael Angelo try to go nuts on it!
I want to see Michael Angelo try to go nuts on it!
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
You play the bottom half like a regular six (obviously you can't use your thumb at all though) and use the top six for tapping
http://www.bme.com.au/stubox.htm
Very specific instrument.. I wouldn't use it myself
You play the bottom half like a regular six (obviously you can't use your thumb at all though) and use the top six for tapping
http://www.bme.com.au/stubox.htm
Very specific instrument.. I wouldn't use it myself
J
Jeff Dunne
Guest
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
Insane range - for tapping use.
Most of the people who can't find a use for it are the same people who can't get their head around a 7
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Insane range - for tapping use.
Most of the people who can't find a use for it are the same people who can't get their head around a 7
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JacksonMIA
Lemur-buckerologist
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
And you thought a Floyd was a pain to tune! :laugh2:
I wouldn't mind having one just as a novelty. I don't think I'd get much use out of it, but I'd probably have a lot of fun playing around on it. I'd really like to see Satch or Vai use one of them.
And you thought a Floyd was a pain to tune! :laugh2:
I wouldn't mind having one just as a novelty. I don't think I'd get much use out of it, but I'd probably have a lot of fun playing around on it. I'd really like to see Satch or Vai use one of them.
Robert Delahunt
Showmasterologist
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
Not me. I grow tired of seeing him and others like him. I don't hate him, it just gets old after a while. Besides, his name makes me think of him in the league of other neo-classical too-classical-for-anything-but-solo-guitar too-fast-for-you i-think-i'm-a-true-classical-virtuoso. They make too many assumptions in my opinion:
1) Classical. No offense but most the classical music community consider all guitar except classical guitar to be non-classical. Most the classical music community don't even consider guitar itself a valid classical instrument. To them, violin-viola-cello-bass are your strings.
2) Neo-classical. Sure, that's fine, but in terms of writing, I'm not into it. Too many repeated figures, trills, etc. Notes per minute doesn't make you classical. Look at some violin concertos. I don't want to dive too much into form and analysis, but most concertos are fast-slow-fast. There's the fast sections, but there's also the slow section in the middle, usually where beauty > speed. Even ultra-elite musicians that think of themselves as mozart reincarnated should stop and listen to his violin concertos (i prefer Itzhak Perlman's double CD set of ALL of them). There's nearly always a fast section, then a slow beautiful section, then a fast section, so 1/3 of all time in the piece is slow. This isn't what I find, however, with "classical shredders".
Look at Vivaldi stuff as well: most pieces are in three-part setup, and it's normally fast-slow-fast. And look at his "Four Seasons": you can hear things in the music that aren't music: the bark of a dog, the heat of the day, a fox hunt, etc, things that I just don't find in neo-classical-shredding-guitarist music. Don't even try to go beyond the baroque to the impressionistic lol: that's even more difficult because now you're not doing music for music's sake, you're doing it to paint a mental pictue. The closest person to any of this that I've heard is Satriani because he makes sound effects and various other things.
I just think that maybe instead of them considering themselves "classical" just because a chamber ensemble is behind them, they should become classical musicians in their hearts, not just on their sleeves and when people are watching them. Classical was about discipline in music and about how it transcends the mundane.
I'm not trying to hate on the Angelo Bato / YM / Buckethead scene. I just somehow feel that their classical image they try to maintain is an act, and an annoying act at that. I have more respect for Christopher Parkening than them, in terms of classical music for guitar. I've seen him in concert and he is everything those guys are and more.
Young Angus said:
Not me. I grow tired of seeing him and others like him. I don't hate him, it just gets old after a while. Besides, his name makes me think of him in the league of other neo-classical too-classical-for-anything-but-solo-guitar too-fast-for-you i-think-i'm-a-true-classical-virtuoso. They make too many assumptions in my opinion:
1) Classical. No offense but most the classical music community consider all guitar except classical guitar to be non-classical. Most the classical music community don't even consider guitar itself a valid classical instrument. To them, violin-viola-cello-bass are your strings.
2) Neo-classical. Sure, that's fine, but in terms of writing, I'm not into it. Too many repeated figures, trills, etc. Notes per minute doesn't make you classical. Look at some violin concertos. I don't want to dive too much into form and analysis, but most concertos are fast-slow-fast. There's the fast sections, but there's also the slow section in the middle, usually where beauty > speed. Even ultra-elite musicians that think of themselves as mozart reincarnated should stop and listen to his violin concertos (i prefer Itzhak Perlman's double CD set of ALL of them). There's nearly always a fast section, then a slow beautiful section, then a fast section, so 1/3 of all time in the piece is slow. This isn't what I find, however, with "classical shredders".
Look at Vivaldi stuff as well: most pieces are in three-part setup, and it's normally fast-slow-fast. And look at his "Four Seasons": you can hear things in the music that aren't music: the bark of a dog, the heat of the day, a fox hunt, etc, things that I just don't find in neo-classical-shredding-guitarist music. Don't even try to go beyond the baroque to the impressionistic lol: that's even more difficult because now you're not doing music for music's sake, you're doing it to paint a mental pictue. The closest person to any of this that I've heard is Satriani because he makes sound effects and various other things.
I just think that maybe instead of them considering themselves "classical" just because a chamber ensemble is behind them, they should become classical musicians in their hearts, not just on their sleeves and when people are watching them. Classical was about discipline in music and about how it transcends the mundane.
I'm not trying to hate on the Angelo Bato / YM / Buckethead scene. I just somehow feel that their classical image they try to maintain is an act, and an annoying act at that. I have more respect for Christopher Parkening than them, in terms of classical music for guitar. I've seen him in concert and he is everything those guys are and more.
Robert Delahunt
Showmasterologist
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
LOL
"Ok dude, I'm back, got the guitar tuned and prepped?"
"Yep, that'll be $500."
"WHAT?!"
MikeS said:
LOL
"Ok dude, I'm back, got the guitar tuned and prepped?"
"Yep, that'll be $500."
"WHAT?!"
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
What I want to know is how do you keep certain strings from vibrating or giving off some unwanted harmonics when you're playing the other strings. The only thing I could think of is that you would be forced to play with two hands just to keep the noise down.
What I want to know is how do you keep certain strings from vibrating or giving off some unwanted harmonics when you're playing the other strings. The only thing I could think of is that you would be forced to play with two hands just to keep the noise down.
MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
All three, really. There's a difference between writing in the classical style and being classically inspired. I'm not huge fans of Batio or Malmsteen, but I think I've heard enough of their stuff to know that they're classically inspired, perhaps classically trained, but wouldn't go so far as to lump them into the "classical" style.
All three, really. There's a difference between writing in the classical style and being classically inspired. I'm not huge fans of Batio or Malmsteen, but I think I've heard enough of their stuff to know that they're classically inspired, perhaps classically trained, but wouldn't go so far as to lump them into the "classical" style.
Robert Delahunt
Showmasterologist
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
Well I just find their wannabe-classical aura annoying, that's all. I know they're not truly classical. It's just somehow sad to me, the glam costumes, the image, etc. Maybe it's partly how their image tries to be classical in some way or something. Not sure.
By the way, what's up with Buckethead? Am I wrong for getting the impression that he's being immature with the image thing, or does he just not like people knowing who he is? I could almost not be bothered by his persona if it was because he doesn't like people intruding into his private life.
MikeS said:
Well I just find their wannabe-classical aura annoying, that's all. I know they're not truly classical. It's just somehow sad to me, the glam costumes, the image, etc. Maybe it's partly how their image tries to be classical in some way or something. Not sure.
By the way, what's up with Buckethead? Am I wrong for getting the impression that he's being immature with the image thing, or does he just not like people knowing who he is? I could almost not be bothered by his persona if it was because he doesn't like people intruding into his private life.
sufferinrewind
New member
Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!
Generally you use both hands to fret notes at the same time. One hand plays bass, the other plays the melody.
Here's a video of a guy named Jim Wright playing jazz on a 14-string Warr Guitar.
http://www.warrguitars.com/WarrRSS/WarrCast/FC58D4C4-46DA-4D59-BE2F-FA72763FF51C.html
Here's a guy named Trey Gunn playing his singature 12-string Warr Guitar.
http://www.warrguitars.com/WarrRSS/WarrCast/9DE2F7B9-2578-427E-BA5C-5AD59AD91814.html
Generally you use both hands to fret notes at the same time. One hand plays bass, the other plays the melody.
Here's a video of a guy named Jim Wright playing jazz on a 14-string Warr Guitar.
http://www.warrguitars.com/WarrRSS/WarrCast/FC58D4C4-46DA-4D59-BE2F-FA72763FF51C.html
Here's a guy named Trey Gunn playing his singature 12-string Warr Guitar.
http://www.warrguitars.com/WarrRSS/WarrCast/9DE2F7B9-2578-427E-BA5C-5AD59AD91814.html
