God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

[YJM_Rocks]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

Not me. I grow tired of seeing him and others like him. I don't hate him, it just gets old after a while. Besides, his name makes me think of him in the league of other neo-classical too-classical-for-anything-but-solo-guitar too-fast-for-you i-think-i'm-a-true-classical-virtuoso. They make too many assumptions in my opinion:

1) Classical. No offense but most the classical music community consider all guitar except classical guitar to be non-classical. Most the classical music community don't even consider guitar itself a valid classical instrument. To them, violin-viola-cello-bass are your strings.

2) Neo-classical. Sure, that's fine, but in terms of writing, I'm not into it. Too many repeated figures, trills, etc. Notes per minute doesn't make you classical. Look at some violin concertos. I don't want to dive too much into form and analysis, but most concertos are fast-slow-fast. There's the fast sections, but there's also the slow section in the middle, usually where beauty > speed. Even ultra-elite musicians that think of themselves as mozart reincarnated should stop and listen to his violin concertos (i prefer Itzhak Perlman's double CD set of ALL of them). There's nearly always a fast section, then a slow beautiful section, then a fast section, so 1/3 of all time in the piece is slow. This isn't what I find, however, with "classical shredders".

Look at Vivaldi stuff as well: most pieces are in three-part setup, and it's normally fast-slow-fast. And look at his "Four Seasons": you can hear things in the music that aren't music: the bark of a dog, the heat of the day, a fox hunt, etc, things that I just don't find in neo-classical-shredding-guitarist music. Don't even try to go beyond the baroque to the impressionistic lol: that's even more difficult because now you're not doing music for music's sake, you're doing it to paint a mental pictue. The closest person to any of this that I've heard is Satriani because he makes sound effects and various other things.

I just think that maybe instead of them considering themselves "classical" just because a chamber ensemble is behind them, they should become classical musicians in their hearts, not just on their sleeves and when people are watching them. Classical was about discipline in music and about how it transcends the mundane.

I'm not trying to hate on the Angelo Bato / YM / Buckethead scene. I just somehow feel that their classical image they try to maintain is an act, and an annoying act at that. I have more respect for Christopher Parkening than them, in terms of classical music for guitar. I've seen him in concert and he is everything those guys are and more.

Lol. What does this have to do with this thread? :dance:

 

[Davey]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

By the way, what's up with Buckethead? Am I wrong for getting the impression that he's being immature with the image thing, or does he just not like people knowing who he is? I could almost not be bothered by his persona if it was because he doesn't like people intruding into his private life.

i personaly think it's hilarious

 

[sufferinrewind]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

By the way, what's up with Buckethead? Am I wrong for getting the impression that he's being immature with the image thing, or does he just not like people knowing who he is? I could almost not be bothered by his persona if it was because he doesn't like people intruding into his private life.

It's called entertainment. A guy wearing a mask with a KFC Chicken bucket on his head, swinging nunchucks, doing the robot, and playing guitar is funny and entertaining to some.

EDIT: And, I don't see how this is at all relevant here.

 

[ibanezrocks]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

I think most people find extraordinarily anal people much more annoying than people who are just trying to be silly like buckethead.

+1

Batio is annoying not only because I can't stand to listen to his music, but mostly because he's far too confident that he's the best guitarist ever.

 

[kneadmomunny]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

it can sound pretty cool. http://youtube.com/watch?v=r2BOApUvFpw&search=guitar

 

[RnFR]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

If you can barely play 6 strings, why the hell would you need 12 ?!

 

[Mincer]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

What I want to know is how do you keep certain strings from vibrating or giving off some unwanted harmonics when you're playing the other strings. The only thing I could think of is that you would be forced to play with two hands just to keep the noise down.

Actually, the open strings on a Warr Guitar or Stick are unplayable...they are muted by a piece of felt underneath the strings at the 1st fret. This stops the harmonics and unwanted vibrations- it works really well.

 

[UCSDBoy]

Re: God help us...an ACTUAL 12 string guitar!

wow that thing's almost as big as my johnson