Gold Fillister Screws,,,

zozoe

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hi all~ I'll be putting in some gold plated screws for me soon to arrive Fralin P90,,, and trying to avoid having to make too many choices, and/or subscribing to any myths, is there a diff between the #'d alloys I've seen floating around,,, Of course, my soon-to-be-here LP (& my ears) deserve nuthin' but the best...
Thoughts, experiences, or just get the best deal online?
Thnx in advance
 
Low-carbon steel is considered warmer and sweeter; higher carbon steel gives brighter tone with slightly more aggressive attack.
The difference is pretty subtle IMO but I can hear it when playing at high volume.

I wasn't aware that gold plated pole screws are even available in various formulations.

 
Zhangbucker once said to me that the gold plating makes for a little treble attenuation. Not sure whether that was for any gold or just the ones he'd tried by comparison to his nickel plated screws.
 
Zhangbucker once said to me that the gold plating makes for a little treble attenuation. Not sure whether that was for any gold or just the ones he'd tried by comparison to his nickel plated screws.

Interesting, I would interested in the details, what specifically was being compared and how much attenuation and to what degree.

FWIW all my gold humbuckers I've put in my SG and LP Studio seem to be brighter than their uncovered or chrome/nickel counterparts in the same guitars. Don't know if it's related to the gold, or just something different in how gold ones are made; for example, are the bobbins assembled into the gold pickups underwound but within tolerance, or use the max wire, or something else that is influencing the outcome? Or it could just be chance I got a handful that turned out slightly brighter? I'll admit it's very slight, mine it's like the difference between 9.5 and 10 on the tone.
 
Zhangbucker once said to me that the gold plating makes for a little treble attenuation. Not sure whether that was for any gold or just the ones he'd tried by comparison to his nickel plated screws.

David knows his pickups well and I've learned to trust his opinions on the technical aspects.
Presently have eight Zhangbuckers and there's not a dud in the bunch.

Seems 1018 probably would be the appropriate choice, for me at least.
If gold screws take off a bit and since the pickup in question likely is going to be covered too, of course.
I figure a little brighter is better, unless I wanted to take some sparkle off a particular bright pickup.

One of my guitars, though, is a limited run Orville in custom raspberry quilt with gold hardware.
It has uncovered zebras that I've considered upgrading but I'd like to keep the zebra look.
For three bucks and change per set, I think gold pole screws might be a nice touch.
 
Interesting, I would interested in the details, what specifically was being compared and how much attenuation and to what degree.

FWIW all my gold humbuckers I've put in my SG and LP Studio seem to be brighter than their uncovered or chrome/nickel counterparts in the same guitars. Don't know if it's related to the gold, or just something different in how gold ones are made; for example, are the bobbins assembled into the gold pickups underwound but within tolerance, or use the max wire, or something else that is influencing the outcome? Or it could just be chance I got a handful that turned out slightly brighter? I'll admit it's very slight, mine it's like the difference between 9.5 and 10 on the tone.

It's hard to tell since the pickups in question probably were a bit different from the ones they replaced.
Have never replaced a humbucker with another of the exact same pickup myself.
Were they the same make & model?

Not sure how many cases we're talking about. But the larger the number, the less chance that it's just a coincidence.
 
David knows his pickups well and I've learned to trust his opinions on the technical aspects.
Presently have eight Zhangbuckers and there's not a dud in the bunch.

He's never led me astray either, and I've got a LOT of different pickup forms from him as well.
 
It's hard to tell since the pickups in question probably were a bit different from the ones they replaced.
Have never replaced a humbucker with another of the exact same pickup myself.
Were they the same make & model?

Not sure how many cases we're talking about. But the larger the number, the less chance that it's just a coincidence.

Basically I have uncovered and gold 59 neck (which I used in bridge position), uncovered and gold Jazz set, chrome and gold Seth neck, uncovered and gold Custom 5, uncovered and gold Custom Custom and I've rotated all these through my SG and LP Studio, right after each other. I started doing that after I noticed the gold 59 seemed brighter a little bit. I'm guessing it's not the gold but something else. It's worth noting all the gold are 4-conductor, while only uncovered Jazz bridge and Customs are 4-conductor.
 
Basically I have uncovered and gold 59 neck (which I used in bridge position), uncovered and gold Jazz set, chrome and gold Seth neck, uncovered and gold Custom 5, uncovered and gold Custom Custom and I've rotated all these through my SG and LP Studio, right after each other. I started doing that after I noticed the gold 59 seemed brighter a little bit. I'm guessing it's not the gold but something else. It's worth noting all the gold are 4-conductor, while only uncovered Jazz bridge and Customs are 4-conductor.
Not sure 4-wire vs braided would make enough difference to be audible.
Occasionally, very small adjustments to pickups can yield surprisingly large results though.
Also, some pickups seem more sensitive to minute changes than others.

Could raising the pole screws (to be flush with the cover) possibly have skewed the tone a bit towards one coil?
That might account for some extra brightness with gold vs uncovered.
Of course, for gold vs chrome it wouldn't apply.

I used to wonder if maybe uncovered pickups were brighter just because you could get the coils & magnet a bit closer to the strings.
Then I took the cover off a neck humbucker and noticed a little extra air and sparkle even though it was set low.

A subtle difference, to be sure, but I could definitely notice it playing the same songs at battle volume night after night.
Not something anybody else would've heard, even the guys in the band. Certainly not the audience.

It's easy to overthink things and chase shadows when it comes to subtle changes in tone.
But if I can hear it myself, that's enough for me.
 
Not sure 4-wire vs braided would make enough difference to be audible.
Occasionally, very small adjustments to pickups can yield surprisingly large results though.
Also, some pickups seem more sensitive to minute changes than others.

Could raising the pole screws (to be flush with the cover) possibly have skewed the tone a bit towards one coil?
That might account for some extra brightness with gold vs uncovered.
Of course, for gold vs chrome it wouldn't apply.

I used to wonder if maybe uncovered pickups were brighter just because you could get the coils & magnet a bit closer to the strings.
Then I took the cover off a neck humbucker and noticed a little extra air and sparkle even though it was set low.

A subtle difference, to be sure, but I could definitely notice it playing the same songs at battle volume night after night.
Not something anybody else would've heard, even the guys in the band. Certainly not the audience.

It's easy to overthink things and chase shadows when it comes to subtle changes in tone.
But if I can hear it myself, that's enough for me.

So the difference is covered vs uncovered? Except I had the same experience with chrome/nickel vs gold. And my experience was gold covers were just slightly brighter than uncovered. (FWIW I always set the screws the same way before playing, just slightly above the bobbin, which is sticking up on uncovered and slightly below the cover when covered. I run neck screws horizontally like - - - - - - and bridge screws like the PAF patent \ / \ / \ / )
 
So the difference is covered vs uncovered? Except I had the same experience with chrome/nickel vs gold. And my experience was gold covers were just slightly brighter than uncovered. (FWIW I always set the screws the same way before playing, just slightly above the bobbin, which is sticking up on uncovered and slightly below the cover when covered. I run neck screws horizontally like - - - - - - and bridge screws like the PAF patent \ / \ / \ / )
Wasn't saying it necessarily was covered vs not, simply brainstorming to think of anything besides plating or wiring that might account for it.
And I did say that for gold vs chrome, the adjustment aspect wouldn't apply.

Maybe it is indeed the plating itself. Gold has unique properties. Perhaps eliminating eddy currents is one of them.
Don't know whether that's been studied; I imagine it probably has at some point.

Still, gold covers have been around so long, you'd expect a difference would be widely recognized by now.
Then again, when it comes to subtleties of tone there's very little that all players will agree on.
Even today there are some who maintain that good quality covers don't affect the sound at all.
Personally, I've heard enough to convince me they definitely do.

It's an interesting subject anyway.

I don't have any frame of reference for this myself - my only gold pickup swaps so far have already had covers.
Got a gold Brobucker for bridge position on my Moderne and a BKP Rebel Yell set in gold for one of the Explorers.

Been thinking about new humbuckers for an SG Custom copy lately, though.
Would be using pickups from my parts boxes and almost certainly want to keep the classic look.
So installing some gold covers might be in my future.
 
I did a little reading. I already knew that gold isn't attracted to magnets.
But I never realized that a strong magnet actually repels gold slightly.
The article said this is due to eddy currents in the gold.

Metal detectors use eddy currents to sense metal objects and the cheap basic ones can't detect gold.

A casual search didn't turn up anything specific about how eddy currents behave in gold.
I did learn that the better conductor a metal is, the deeper below its surface eddy currents will penetrate.

Gold's a better conductor than nickel or chrome. Not as good as silver and copper I think.
Brass is a far worse conductor, and we know brass covers can degrade treble response significantly.

So it seems plausible that gold plating might be more transparent tonally than nickel or chrome.
 
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