Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

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I'd honestly go with the Orange Jim Root Terror, or if not that, the Mini Recto. I think the 5150 III is more high gain than what you're looking for. That thing tears off heads even at low volumes, and the lead channel is pretty much exclusively for ultra high gain metal (still a great amp, just probably not what you're looking for).
 
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Owned just about anything that you can name. Hands down best low volume high gain tones I have ever gotten are with the little 25 watt Zinky Blue Velvet I own.
I own 5 amps right now and over the time I have owned the Velvet a Jet City JCH 22, Marshall JCM 900 Dual master Fender Prosonic/Super Sonic Boogie .50 cal + / Subway Rocket and more. The Zinky smoked them all and spanked them badly in low volume tones ( and at high volume also BTW!!) nothing else I have ever played comes close!!
This is the Velvet unmiced and with no effects other than a delay and a wah in a setting where the volume level is around 85 db.
 
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I concur with a lot of input here. Having spent plenty of time with both the Ironball and the Grandmeister... I can see why those two are contenders for you. Great amps and more than enough distortion... at sane volumes.

But just so you know... many of the "big iron" heads do in fact sound good/great a low volumes. Whether it's my Ceriatone Cupacabra, Splawn Quickrod (which I just picked-up last night), Friedman BE100, Bogner XTC/Shiva/Twin Jet, etc... most of these amps have great master volumes and selectable wattage. Plus, you can use an attenuator. I only throw this out there because it gives you more options, and if you ever do end-up with any larger gigs... then you've already got your amp. Honestly... the biggest difference between 15 watt and 100 watt tube heads is clean headroom and bottom-end thump/punch/girth. I've had a lot of tube amps... from 5 watts (or less) all the way to 120 watts. And even the lowest-wattage amps are still LOUD when they're purring.
 
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Don't get the idea that headroom somehow has nothing to do with volume; the definition of headroom is higher volume before distortion. Bigger amps turned to that point will be louder.

Carry on.
 
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Don't get the idea that headroom somehow has nothing to do with volume; the definition of headroom is higher volume before distortion. Bigger amps turned to that point will be louder.

Carry on.

Many of these low-wattage lunchbox amps start distorting VERY early in the volume taper. I don't like that. If I want distortion, I'll kick an OD pedal on or select the OD channel of the amp. I want my cleans to stay clean at most volumes. And I mentioned girth and punch too. A higher-wattage amp can sound massive, even without going to ear-splitting volumes. I've owned most of the lunchboxes and they all sound smaller/thinner than the big iron, yet get nearly as loud. Considering the fact that many higher wattage boutique amps have great volume tapers, it seems like a win-win to me. People who buy 15-20 tube amps thinking they're going to get cranked feel and tones and conversation volumes are fooling themselves. I learned that early with the first release of the Marshall Class 5. The only way to do that is an ISO cab, or maybe an attenuator. But then that cranked tone gets a choked, or blanket-over-speaker quality.

I do remember the Engl Ironball sounding pretty thumpy for a low-watter though. That little pig is heavy too!
 
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Many of these low-wattage lunchbox amps start distorting VERY early in the volume taper. I don't like that. If I want distortion, I'll kick an OD pedal on or select the OD channel of the amp. I want my cleans to stay clean at most volumes. And I mentioned girth and punch too. A higher-wattage amp can sound massive, even without going to ear-splitting volumes. I've owned most of the lunchboxes and they all sound smaller/thinner than the big iron, yet get nearly as loud. Considering the fact that many higher wattage boutique amps have great volume tapers, it seems like a win-win to me. People who buy 15-20 tube amps thinking they're going to get cranked feel and tones and conversation volumes are fooling themselves. I learned that early with the first release of the Marshall Class 5. The only way to do that is an ISO cab, or maybe an attenuator. But then that cranked tone gets a choked, or blanket-over-speaker quality.

I do remember the Engl Ironball sounding pretty thumpy for a low-watter though. That little pig is heavy too!
Yeah, these little amps will get all kinds of loud, except when you need a clean tone at the same volume. That's where the bigger amps shine. Problem is trying to get the power amp to distort with the big amps without killing folks. That's where the little amps shine.
 
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I just finished a very nice session in the man cave with my new (to me) Splawn Quickrod running into two 4X12s. Volume was very reasonable (I wasn't wearing plugs -- which I usually wear). Tone was MASSIVE. The master volume on the Splawn is great. Is it overkill for normal household use? Sure. But I have the option of playing anywhere I want to with it.
 
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The best bedroom amp I've used is a Mesa Mark V. You can run it off a single power tube for 10w, and even that can be knocked down a few more watts by using the amp's variac to sag it even further. Between a power section that will still squish and compress at low volumes and an EQ that will retain a full bottom end response while the amp is choked off it doesn't suffer the same issues that other low powered amps I've used have suffered.
 
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The best bedroom amp I've used is a Mesa Mark V. You can run it off a single power tube for 10w, and even that can be knocked down a few more watts by using the amp's variac to sag it even further. Between a power section that will still squish and compress at low volumes and an EQ that will retain a full bottom end response while the amp is choked off it doesn't suffer the same issues that other low powered amps I've used have suffered.

Talking about the MK 5.

. . . i nearly bought a 1X12 combo about a month ago.

The seller wanted only $1800.00.

Over here it is unheard off. (ie. that's CHEAP for a MK 5 / and it was also the 1st ever MK 5 i've ever seen on the used market)

But, i decided against it - i am still holding out for an Electra Dyne.
 
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That tone your looking for... you probably wont find at bedroom levels out of anything. 100 watt amps that are cranked then attenuated down to conversation levels lose a lot of their feel. The sound of a 1x12 not being pushed is stale compared to a 4x12 that is moving some air. There are many amps with master volumes that sound decent at low volume but never capture the visceral feeling of a cranked amp.

Even a 15 watt amp will tear your head off when cranked.
It's true, I own three different 15w Class A tube amps & every one of them will shake the walls! My TS15 is switchable to 5w & even that will blow the door off when it's cranked! These kinds of amps are made to be played very loud, they are supposed to move air not barley move at all? If you want something for a bedroom that you can crank all the way & not piss anyone off you should be looking @ 1-5 watt amps. You would be surprised how loud 1w of tube power is!!! Or you can go S.S.? I know, ewwwwwwwwwww, S.S. amps suck! No they don't, they are reliable, consistent, & much easier to dial in "your sound" at lower volumes? I keep two of them for that very reason & I got a bunch great sounding & iconic tube amplifiers!!!
 
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Talking about the MK 5.

. . . i nearly bought a 1X12 combo about a month ago.

The seller wanted only $1800.00.

Over here it is unheard off. (ie. that's CHEAP for a MK 5 / and it was also the 1st ever MK 5 i've ever seen on the used market)

But, i decided against it - i am still holding out for an Electra Dyne.

You're back in SA?

The Electra Dyne is f*cking awesome. The way I use mine it responds similar to a Recto but is smoother with less distortion, and it cleans up better with the guitar's volume knob while taking overdrives like a champ.

In some ways I'm surprised they never caught on, but I dont think they were marketed right.
 
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The Mesa MkV:25 would be a good amp for the OP to check out. also something like a Splawn Super Sport or Nitro SS could work out well
 
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Yeah I've got an 18w amp that through a 2x12 with a greenback and a vintage 30 is louder than apartment levels at... Well like 1 on the volume knob.

For truly apartment level sound, you're looking at 1w and less... Even 5w was eviction level loud when I lived in a duplex-ish thing haha
 
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Dude, I ALMOST dinged you for spamming... But that link leads to this.

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Have you considered maybe a V-22 Bugera
 
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C'mon, guys! ;)

Actually is a really good suggestion for the OP's nerds: plenty of good sims with a valve power output section, a good sounding low power mode, perfect for playing in in apartment, and enough poder for jams/gigs.
 
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C'mon, guys! ;)

Actually is a really good suggestion for the OP's nerds: plenty of good sims with a valve power output section, a good sounding low power mode, perfect for playing in in apartment, and enough poder for jams/gigs.

My comment had nothing to do with the suitability or lack thereof of your recommendation. In reality its no more absurd than the guys recommending 100 watts then using power scaling or attenuating to get it down to the level he needs. Its like saying hey go buy a Ferrari but never take it out of 1st gear.

My comment was just based purely on finding humour in GilmourD's choice of the word "ding" yes it is juvenile on my part but so what... I thought it was funny and if we cant have a little fun... why bother.
 
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