Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

  • 57s

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • Slash

    Votes: 11 64.7%

  • Total voters
    17

esandes

Well-known member
It's a great demo because it appears to use the same guitar and amp/effects. I can't take comparisons on two guitars seriously.

It's amazing how close they sound. Which do you like more and why?

One fine detail I liked more about the Slash bridge blues demo was the more refined pick attack especially on the would strings. The 57 attack sounded more blunt.
https://youtu.be/3dG6BZWNVdM

BTW the comments section show a couple of complaints that the Slash neck is backwards. I think they're incorrect.
 
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For some odd reason people tend to not like the 57s and the Burstbuckers (which are very similar to 57s, the main difference being the 57s don't have a coil mismatch). I think it might have to do with Gibson not having the best quality control these days. But they are nice pups.

I will say that the Slash set is by leaps and bounds a much better bang for your buck, but the 57s have a slight edge in tone I think. I have a 2012 ES-175 from Epiphone that came stock with the Classic 57s and they sounded amazing. I have since changed the pickups numerous times in that guitar, and I think I'll go back to the 57s pretty soon.

Another neat trick to get a better tone from the 57s is a rough cast A3 and a rough cast UOA5 in the bridge. Remove the covers and remove the potting wax and they sound phenomenal. I was considering trying this out on a set of Burstbuckers as well, making a hybrid out of a BB1 and BB2 as well as one that's a hybrid of a BB2 and BB3. But I don't have $450 laying around.

I'll let other preach on how nice the Slash set is, I won't steal all the fun.
 
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I have both, and like both. Difficulties arise in comparing 57 Classics with anything else because Gibson has reportedly changed the specs and manufacturing at least five times over the last twenty-five years. By now they may have strayed rather far from the original Tom Holmes design. (Certainly the 57s are nowhere close to my Holmes 450/455 set.) IMO much of their reputation for inconsistency may actually be due to spec changes rather than imprecise manufacturing. But I'm not 100% positive of that, given Gibson's casual attitude towards quality control in recent years.

It may also simply be one of those pickups which loves certain particular guitars and doesn't like others.

Mine are from 2003 and they are definitely sweeter & less harsh than my Burstbucker 1&2 set, yet as I said I believe recent issues may be different from mine. (Some have mistakenly asserted that 57 Classics were derived from the Tim Shaw humbuckers of the early 80s; I can say with some confidence that they are not very similar at all.)

The Slash pickups, on the other hand, are quite consistent and AFAIK the design has not been changed, and is unlikely to be. Obviously they are a much better deal than the outrageously overpriced 57 Classics, and in the linked vid they seemed pretty much in the same ball park tonally.

As for personal opinions comparing their character, mine are in guitars which are too different for me to give any accurate assessment. I can only say that I like them both.
 
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Poor QA on pickups is likely NOT the case. Those pickups are wound by automated machines. Now, what the machines are told to wind....

And while it was the same guitar/settings etc...


It is still my crappy computer and a YouTube recording. Live, it might be quite different. And in a blind listening that was randomized, you might not be able to tell or prefer a different pickup.
 
Re: Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

Uncovered (Slash) vs. covered (57’s).

The 57’s sound thinner and fizzier to me.

Same dif I hear when I compare covered Seth Lovers to uncovered Seth Lovers.

I prefer uncovered.

And in the video I prefer the uncovered Slash pickups. Ballsier.
 
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BTW the comments section show a couple of complaints that the Slash neck is backwards. I think they're incorrect.

Actually, they are correct. Slash had his pups installed with both creme coils towards the neck. They're even packaged that way.
 
Re: Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

For some odd reason people tend to not like the 57s and the Burstbuckers (which are very similar to 57s, the main difference being the 57s don't have a coil mismatch). I think it might have to do with Gibson not having the best quality control these days. But they are nice pups.

I will say that the Slash set is by leaps and bounds a much better bang for your buck, but the 57s have a slight edge in tone I think. I have a 2012 ES-175 from Epiphone that came stock with the Classic 57s and they sounded amazing. I have since changed the pickups numerous times in that guitar, and I think I'll go back to the 57s pretty soon.

Another neat trick to get a better tone from the 57s is a rough cast A3 and a rough cast UOA5 in the bridge. Remove the covers and remove the potting wax and they sound phenomenal. I was considering trying this out on a set of Burstbuckers as well, making a hybrid out of a BB1 and BB2 as well as one that's a hybrid of a BB2 and BB3. But I don't have $450 laying around.

I'll let other preach on how nice the Slash set is, I won't steal all the fun.

i dont think there is a quality control issue with gibsons pups, as was mentioned all the coils are machine wound and i cant imagine they are buying crappy wire. i like the bb1/2 a fair amount, dont love the 57 classics but some love them. ive heard there was a change in the 57's over the years but cant confirm it.

that demo isnt really fair since the 57's are covered and slash arent, i like both bridge pups but the classic 57 neck sounds really stringy in a bad way on the high end when dirty

remove the wax potting? how, pray tell, would you do that? heat and a vacuum? without a strong vacuum you arent going to get enough wax out to really do much
 
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i dont think there is a quality control issue with gibsons pups, as was mentioned all the coils are machine wound and i cant imagine they are buying crappy wire. i like the bb1/2 a fair amount, dont love the 57 classics but some love them. ive heard there was a change in the 57's over the years but cant confirm it.

that demo isnt really fair since the 57's are covered and slash arent, i like both bridge pups but the classic 57 neck sounds really stringy in a bad way on the high end when dirty

remove the wax potting? how, pray tell, would you do that? heat and a vacuum? without a strong vacuum you arent going to get enough wax out to really do much

I was referring to how quality control of Gibson in recent years has led to having a negative outlook on all Gibson products. They think they get one bad guitar and it makes Gibson a bad company.

As for unpotting, it's fairly simple. Get as much as you can off with a hair dryer and then let it simmer in a pot of water that's hot enough to melt the wax. I put my pickups in a wire net so that they don't touch the metal, but I'm not sure how necessary that is. I don't remember if the 57s are enamel or not, but don't do this method with enamel.

You can also use a hair dryer to heat the pickup to the melting point and then spray WD-40 on it until the pickup is pretty much soaked and then go outside and spray it with break cleaner, which will evaporate. I then repeat these two steps until I get a whole bunch off.

The first method is easier and less effective, the second has slightly less common components, works better, and doesn't risk damaging the pickup.
 
Re: Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

57s are enamel wire, most paf type pups are

i havent tried the wd40, brake cleaner method. hadnt thought about going that far. i wouldnt use a hair drier on butyrate bobbins due to the lower melting point but im also more risk averse than some
 
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I wouldnt use a hair drier on butyrate bobbins due to the lower melting point but im also more risk averse than some

I haven't had any problems with it. I don't know if that's going to be true in everyone's case. But your also listening to the same guy who frequently flattens pickguards by baking them in the same oven he cooks with, so caution is recommended when taking my advice.
 
Re: Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

Ha! I can’t say I’ve had to flatten any pickguards but good to know I have the necessary tool should I need to
 
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I heard of guys leaving their guitars in hot cars and the wax melts. Apparently Gibson's wax melts very easily.
 
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I heard of guys leaving their guitars in hot cars and the wax melts. Apparently Gibson's wax melts very easily.

People don't know how hot cars can get, I've had it warp pickguards and I've even made tea in the trunk of my car before, but the latter doesn't require too much heat.
 
Re: Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

Here in FL, a guitar in the trunk of a car, especially in the summer would pretty much equal a warped neck.

Im anxious to check this demo. Id like to try a Slash Set.. Normally Ive always changed out Gibson pups as I havent gelled with most Ive used. I bought an EPI Les Paul tribute plus and it has the 57 classic and 57 classic plus pups in it, and I fully intended/planned to swap em out.. But every time I play it, I rather enjoy it.. Just tossing that out there FWIW
 
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Actually, they are correct. Slash had his pups installed with both creme coils towards the neck. They're even packaged that way.

Gary Moore had his LPs with the neck pickup backwards with the slug coil closer to the neck.
 
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The truth is Gibson 57's cannot be beat... so are the Burstbuckers and even the 490/498 pickups. Ask this question here and you'll mostly get the fanboi bias, but the truth is Seymour Duncan is a pickup wizard, but Gibson is the original and they never lost it. I have a ton of guitars, and 57's are some of my favorite. I even have set in an alder Stratocaster. They're great, all-around pickups. I like the bass response and harmonic content of the 57's over the Slash set. I think the 57's handle a wider range of distortion and cleans better. I have both the Slash signature and the AII Pros installed. I like the Slash set. To me they're a bit spongier, warmer. When I bought them, I thought they'd be a little hotter than my Classic/Classic+ set, but they're very comparable.

You'll find the difference and the Slash component when you do different types of soloing. For example, Slash likes to do this kind of thing:

|--17brb~---17b~--17-14-16-14_16_14---16---14-------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------17---17--17_16_14----14--------|
|------------------------------------------------------------------16----16~---|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

He does this staccato kind of thing between strings right before short legato bursts. The Sig pickups really let those nuances pop out. The 57's have kind of a smoother, quicker action, so if you're playing something Gary Moore'ish like so:

|-17-----17----17_20_17---17---------------------------------------|
|---20b~---20------------20---20_17_20_17---17------------------|
|------------------------------------------------19---19_17---19~---|
|-------------------------------------------------------------19--------|
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

(I'm not any good at emulating different players, so it is what it is)

They're all similar PAF pickups, so we're talking nuance here. I'm just saying that if I wanted to play something where mid-fretboard notes pop out a bit more, then I'd grab my Slash set, but if I wanted to do more fast picking then I'd grab my 57's. Slash does this thing when he plays rhythm where he does this kind of "chicka chika quack" thing in between chords. Those kinds of nuances seem to get just a little more emphasis as far as I can tell, but if adjust your technique then I'm sure you can do the the same with any pickup.

One last thing is that the 57's have a little more solidity whereas the Slash sigs have kind of a transparency to the tone. You can tell this subtle difference if you compare the AII Pros vs Slash sig to. The sum of all your gear adds flavor or color to your tone. Alnico pickups, alnico speakers, guitar wood, string material, pedals, etc. I could see how guys who like to play straight into a cranked Marshall might prefer the Slash set. I personally like pickups, speakers, and pedals that have some color to them probably because I rarely have the chance to crank up m amps.
 
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Again: there’s a big diff in sound when you remove the nickel or chrome cover from a humbucker.

This comparison in this video is valid I guess because the 57 is usually seen with a cover and the Slash without.

But still...some of the difference we’re hearing in this comparison is the difference in sound between a metal covered pickup and an uncovered one.

I’ve never thought the 57’s were junk, BTW. They’re good.
 
Re: Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

Gibson uses German silver (silver nickel) pickup covers-same material as their base plates?
 
Re: Great comparison of Slash set vs. Gibson 57s

I enjoy the 57's immensely, but the slash set is where it is at for tone and response
 
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The '57 Classics with the right gear can kick some serious arse and sound as good or better than comparable products.

...and speaking of "chicka chika quack"

I recently modded my JTM45ri Marshall into a 1968 50 watter... my first test was to turn it up to "9", slap a 57 (mic) on the cab,
plug straight in and hit record. Keep in mind I had maybe an hour's worth playing in (the Sozos need about 50 hours to break in).

Signal chain (top to bottom):

2008 Gibson Custom Shop '61 LP/SG Custom (57 Classics)
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amp (everything dimed except bass "1", vol "9") - NOS Mullard, EHX 6CA7s, Sozos, MM OT, variac'd 100v
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1x12 w/ Celestion Alnico Gold
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SM57 hair off-center of cap
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UA 2-610
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DAW


- No EQ except hi and lo pass
- Waves iR1 w/ Sunset Studios echo chamber (just a touch)
- For wah, I had to use VST (BIAS FX) and manually move the virtual treadle with the mouse
- Izotope Ozone 7 on the 2




I love Seths... and '57 classics. Similar overall tone, but the Seths are clearer. And sometimes clearer isn't what you want.

No comment on the Slash set as I've never used them.
 
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