Greenback tone with higher watt rating?

[IMENATOR]

I have a 1x12 cab with Celestion 7080 I may try to upgrade, looking for nicer crunch/lead tones but trying to keep up with the power amp that can go up to 60 watts for an 8 Ohm load. Are the Celestion creamback 65 or 75 watt a similar tone? I don't care that much on the clean tones but more on the crunch and lead tones. By the way around here my home town it is virtually impossible to get any other brand so Celestions is the only option I have access.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Greenback tone with higher watt rating?

the g12m-65 creamback is supposed to be a g12m greenback sound with higher power handling which will give it a deeper bottom which isnt a bad thing in a 1x12

 

[Rex_Rocker]

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Yeah, the Creamback M's have the same cone as the Heritage G12M's or G12-EVH's, but with a beefier voice coil. They are slightly more robust in the lows, and slightly more airy up top.

 

[zenmindbeginner]

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The thing with the Greenbacks is that they have this pushed forward midrange attack that is quite unique and why everybody loves them.

The Creambacks' attack is tuned a little lower to the lower midrange and it's not as inyerface as the greenback... the greenbacks are sooooo punchy.

What's interesting is that the "H" magnet seems a little punchier than the "M" magnet.

The attack is now pitched in the upper midrange and the low end is tighter... I actually think the G12H -75 has a similar punch to the greenback (greenback's punch is tuned to the actual midrange yet the G12H-75's punch is tuned to the upper midrange) and has a similar "feel". The G12M-65 s fatter and thicker sounding but doesn't quite have that punchy attack of the greenback. I like pairing a greenback and creamback but if I could have only one speaker... I would choose the G12H-75.

 

[jeremy]

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interesting. the g12h-75 sounds more like the g12m-25 (or whatever they call the 25w greenback) than the g12m-65. how does the g12h-75 compare to the g12h-30? i use the older/lower wattage versions a fair amount but havent tried the creambacks

 

[zenmindbeginner]

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interesting. the g12h-75 sounds more like the g12m-25 (or whatever they call the 25w greenback) than the g12m-65. how does the g12h-75 compare to the g12h-30? i use the older/lower wattage versions a fair amount but havent tried the creambacks

The G12H-75 has a similar feel and punch to the greenback... bigger, tighter bass and an extended high end... they don't sound the same. You've described the greenback as "woody" and I feel like the G12H-75 is "woody" too.

For some odd reason, the G12H-30 seems less "woody" to my ears.

 

[jeremy]

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i hear the g12h-30 as less woody than the g12m-25 for sure. i like em both but they are pretty different. nice to hear the g12h-75 has some of that going on, might have to try it sometime

 

[Gearjoneser]

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I've always liked this Creamback shootout video.

 

[Leon Of Late]

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^^^Wow, I'm surprised that I like the G12H-75 so much more than the 65. That must be what I don't like about the sound of my Marshall, and I thought it was the new power tubes. I've got the Creamback 65 in my Marshall DSL40c, I assume the 75 will work on my combo? Do I have enough power to push the 75?

 

[IMENATOR]

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It was hard to me to appreciate the differences, but I think I liked the G12H-75 a bit better. To make it more interesting or maybe harder to choose something, there is now a neo-creamback but no sound clips yet.

 

[Gearjoneser]

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The problem with Creambacks is that they're expensive and they're hard to find on the used market, especially the CB 75.

You can find V30's and H30 70th Ann. speakers pretty easily though. And even though G12T-75 isn't loved by everyone, it actually sounds good mixed with V30's. I always keep my eyes open for H30 70th Ann. on the used market. Sometimes, I find them really cheap. I mix them with V30's.

 

[zenmindbeginner]

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That comparison was extremely annoying. One of those guys who thinks he is an amazing guitar player but clearly isn't.

 

[Red_Label]

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That comparison was extremely annoying. One of those guys who thinks he is an amazing guitar player but clearly isn't.

He actually does a great job of playing things to give a good comparison.

But yeah... his hyperbole rock-stah schtick is WAY over-the-top and makes it so hard to take him seriously. While I'm not a fan of my own LACK of rock star moves/faces while I'm playing... I certainly wouldn't wanna trade places with that. It's like he went to the William Shatner school of over-acting for his moves.

Regarding this thread... I've been wringing my hands over trying a pair of 65s or 75s in my Friedman 2X12. I just don't care for the tone of the cab, at least when compared to my V30/H30 loaded 4x12. The latter seems so much more articulate, present when powered by my Friedman Smallbox and BE100. I would go for a V30/H30 combo in the 2x12, but that would put it at 60 watts, so I couldn't run the BE100 into it without attenuation.

 

[zenmindbeginner]

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He actually does a great job of playing things to give a good comparison.

But yeah... his hyperbole rock-stah schtick is WAY over-the-top and makes it so hard to take him seriously. While I'm not a fan of my own LACK of rock star moves/faces while I'm playing... I certainly wouldn't wanna trade places with that. It's like he went to the William Shatner school of over-acting for his moves.

Regarding this thread... I've been wringing my hands over trying a pair of 65s or 75s in my Friedman 2X12. I just don't care for the tone of the cab, at least when compared to my V30/H30 loaded 4x12. The latter seems so much more articulate, present when powered by my Friedman Smallbox and BE100. I would go for a V30/H30 combo in the 2x12, but that would put it at 60 watts, so I couldn't run the BE100 into it without attenuation.

I was too hard on the guy... my health is bad and I've been in a ton of pain for the last 2 1/2 months... makes me easily angry.

The H magnet seems to impart an upper mid attack that is lacking in the M Creamback... but... that's all about the amplifier paired with the speakers.

Since that upper mid attack isn't there on the M magnet Creamback, the high frequencies seem to be a bit more articulate without all of those H magnet upper mids taking sonic space.

I personally don't want speakers with pushed upper mids... that is the harshness and edge that some people like, but I certainly don't need because of my "edgy" playing style.

It's all about matching the speaker to the amp. Amps with big fat low mids and scooped upper mids sound amazing with the H magnet Creamback. Another amp with scoped midrange and a present upper midrange would probably not like the H magnet Creamback.

Yeah, there's no way a 2x12 would ever best a 4x12's power and girth. Switching back and forth will make most people want to chuck the 2x12.

 

[Chickenwings]

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I know you can only get celestions in your home town but im gonna throw another option in the mix (you can always mail order).
Eminence Private Jack. Its got a 50 watt rating and has that characteristic woody midrange tone, but it has two things about it that i perfer to a regular greenback.
It has this amazingly sweet top end rather than the quite muffled tops of a greenback, and it also has a denser low end that works "just hard enough" not to flab out like a greenback so its better in an open cab. I really like these speakers. Vintage style sweet tone, but modern functionality. For recording, put an sm57 next to it and you have instant classic guitar tone that sits just right in the mix. It is also reasonably efficient too, sitting somewhere between a greenback and the g12h. Worth checking out.

 

[Leon Of Late]

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I only have a 1x12 combo, so I just need the best sound possible from it. In that clip, when he switched to the 75 it sounded like a blanket was taken off the amp. I don't think I have a really edgy playing style like Mr. Mindbeginner....and I mean that in a complimentary way as I love most of the tone clips. I just need that extra push for my tone.... or you could say it needs all the help it can get.

The cost of the $75 doesn't bother me. I can sell the 65 after I get the 75 and make sure I like it. That will defray some of the cost, and we've all spent more than the speaker costs upgrading a guitar or something else chasing a sound.

 

[JeffB]

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Zmb is on the money...

The h75 sounds more like a early 70s H30, compared to say the modern 70th anniversary h30. It is woodier and more present like a g12m20/25, but the overall tone is definitely heavy magnet without being as brash as the 70th anniv.

The creamback M is not as in your face as the lower watt g12ms. It's got more grunt in the lows as well..

IMO,/IME both creambacks really need some volume to deliver the mojo. For me the 12m 20 evh, and 70th anniversary work better.

 

[JeffB]

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The problem with Creambacks is that they're expensive and they're hard to find on the used market, especially the CB 75.

There's is one in the trading post

 

[emaccarthy]

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Celestion g12-50gl. Lynch back. I have one and love it


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[ItsaBass]

Re: Greenback tone with higher watt rating?

Greenbacks sound just like they do in no small part due to their low rating. IMO, the only way to get them to sound like "proper" Greenbacks while handling higher power is to use several of them at once. A 4x12 filled with them will handle your amp (and sound really damned *****in' too).

That said, there are some 50W ones that do really well. My favorite I've tried is the Eminence Legend GB128. Still not rated high enough for your amp, though.