Grill Cloth - any tips?

Darg1911

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Not sure if this is a good place to post but here goes. I replace the baffle in a 4x12 (a big, cheap cab that sounds huge and really surprised me, but that's another story). I need to cover the baffle board. I've done home speaker grills, no problem. I've done a couple cabinet baffles with cheap, nylon/monofilament like mesh that is pretty hard to screw up. But I'm about to install a tighter weave on this baffle and I cannot find a decent tutorial. Couldn't find anything really instructive on you tube either. I know there is a corners first method and a sides first method. I really don't want to screw this up, the cloth aint cheap and I only have enough for one shot. So, does anyone know of a good video or written turorial they can link me to? Or, otherwise post here. I would really appreciate it.

Thanks.
 
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ive only done it w few times and i dont have a good method. the results are fine but it takes forever and is a pita
 
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This may not completely suit your needs, but it's not bad.


 
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Thanks Lazarus. I found that one a couple days ago. It helps but that's a different material. I found a couple decent things but basically, I'll be winging it. I'm half tempted just to use the stuff I've worked with before. I still have some. But I hate it. It reminds me of those cheap furnace filters ...

Thanks
 
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So what is the problem with the fabric you'd prefer to use? Will it just be hard to keep the pattern straight when you stretch it?
 
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Yeah, that's all. Just concerned about doing it right so the pattern lines stay straight. Plus, there will be just enough to work with on two of the sides so there is even less margin for error and having some arthritis doesn't help. There are tons of videos and tutorials on tolex, but I was surprised to find little of that for the grill cloth. And everyone says its a pain in the ass. Negativity rant over.
 
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Getting it tight in the direction where the material is short sounds like a serious challenge. Good luck.
 
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This is a great question. I'm in the beginning stages of building a custom cab, and getting the grill cloth straight is my biggest concern.

I hope there are more forum folks who have tackled this before.
 
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If it turns out well, I'll post back with what worked and any helpful tips I can offer. I'm thinking my wife would probably be better at it than me. Maybe I'll just do the stretching and let her be the project manager.
 
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I thought of one thing that might help on the sides where there is excess material.

Get one end nice and straight and fold it around the edge and fasten it. Then, if material length permits, take 1 x 2 or something similar and lay it out straight on the loose end of fabric and attach the fabric to it. Then use the board as a help so that when you stretch the membrane around the unfinished end of the baffle the stretch will be pulled evenly. That way you're not trying to stretch fabric alone by hand stapling as you go.
 
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If I'm struggling and I have enough material, I'll try that. I saw a forum thread where someone uses pliers to grab and stretch when there isnt enough extra material to get a good hand grip. Actually, I like to build up unknown things to the level of dread. That way, when and if it works out ok, it ends up being a piece of cake. :-)
 
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Well, it wasn't a piece of cake but not too bad, especially for first time DIY with this type material. With a couple of breaks it took me maybe 2 hours once I started stapling.
I followed the advice posted by "george76" in this thread on the Marshall forum ... http://www.marshallforum.com/cabinets-speakers/49897-marshall-4x12-grill-cloth-replacement.html

I'm not sure that would be enough info for someone who never did anything with grill cloth before. As I mentioned, I have covered home audio speakers and a couple cabinets with a different type of material. Never worked with this stiff, weave stuff before though, until now. It came out pretty OK for my first time. And it's on a garage sale cabinet so it was a good practice piece. Only tips I would add would be to follow the advice of not pulling tight when stapling the corners. It will end up taught when you are done. There is basically no stretch in the material. I pulled too tight when doing the 3rd corner and couldn't get lined up on the final corner so I had to remove the staples from the 3rd corner and try again. Other than that, I didn't have any major problems. The second tip would be to get a piece that will give you at least an extra inch on all sides. The piece I bought was 29.5" by, I think 32.5". There was a little more than 29.5" because of a factory edge but, if there is a next time, I will buy a wider piece because it was just enough to work with. Other than that ... just go for it.

Some background on this cabinet. It's a cheap cabinet I picked up at a community yard sale about a year ago. I hadn't played in years and sold most of my large gear a long time ago. The son of the family I bought this from had gone to college and they were trying to get rid of this cab. Funny because he was a friend of my kids (all now grown) and I fixed the electronics in a low end ESP guitar he had, probably a dozen years ago. It had no back panel, the baffle was stripped of grill cloth and attached with 2 screws. It's a big cab and everything is (or was) MDF. The "tolex" is more like a very thin vinyl. But the shell was in good shape with rabbet joinery plus some internal bracing and there were only a few minor tears in the covering. I had just started back playing and needed a cab without spending a bunch. $25 and a little sweat was OK by me. I built a back panel out of ply. Reattached the baffle and loaded it with 4 WGS speakers. I have a couple Avatar cabs I've picked up since. This cheap cab isn't road worthy but it sounds good and I decided to keep it. I ended up building a new plywood baffle and it had to be presentable, so that's where this grill cloth comes in. I guess it's a "hybrid" cab now. Ply baffle and back panel with an MDF shell. The flash is out on the old, cheap digital camera so forgive the dark photo. And, sorry for writing a book here but maybe it will help someone else.

 
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Marshallesque / Egnatorish, eh?

Thanks. I wouldn't hire myself out for grill cloth work but it looks pretty good in person too.

And no, I don't plan on pining a Marshall or Egnator badge on the thing. ;)
 
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good job! easier said than done. What was your total cost if you don't mind my asking?
 
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Thanks.

If you mean just to do the grill cloth, I did it myself, so total cost was grill cloth. 20 something bucks. It was the first time I ever worked with a stiff, weave type cloth. I have less than $100 in the cab, not including speakers. The Tolex is in pretty good shape. Just a nick here or there. History is in post #12 in this thread.
 
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