Guitar Techs...how would you do this

Re: Guitar Techs...how would you do this

I dont drill lacquered wood but i do drill veneer and formica at work. A spade/paddle bit should work for cleanly cutting the surface layer of lacquer. Dont use the speed bore type though. - The ones with a screw tip spiral for gripping and pulling through. ( no good) Use a drill press with some rags (protect the finish) and squeeze clamps. Use patience and just take your time.
 
Re: Guitar Techs...how would you do this

I dont drill lacquered wood but i do drill veneer and formica at work. A spade/paddle bit should work for cleanly cutting the surface layer of lacquer. Dont use the speed bore type though. - The ones with a screw tip spiral for gripping and pulling through. ( no good) Use a drill press with some rags (protect the finish) and squeeze clamps. Use patience and just take your time.

well a drill press is preferred in some cases IMO but alot dont have access to one.. i know, i dont
 
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You could try a conical shaped sanding attachment for a drill which I doubt would crack the finish around the hole and then gently use the reamer to remove the wood. Repeat as necessary.
 
Re: Guitar Techs...how would you do this

You first need to find where that hole should be for a pot. It's hard to tell from the picture whether or not it is in the right place.

You can certainly use a drill bit to make the hole. You just can't plow right through the finish in one step with a freehand drill and a dull 3/8" wood bit and expect clean results, though. For good results, you need a drill in steps, use the right types of bits, and use truly sharp bits. You also want to score the finish at the edges of where you want the hole to be before you drill through the finish. Fortunately, there is an ideal bit that – if used properly – can both do the scoring cleanly, and actually finish out the hole as well. It's called a Forstner bit.

I would do the following:

1) Find the center using measurements and visual judgement, then mark it with a small dot using an ultra-fine-tipped permanent marker.
2) With a small punch, make a depression on the marker dot.
3) Place a piece of masking tape in the control cavity, over the spot where the hole will come through. Press it down firmly.
4) Drill a small pilot hole (1/16" or slightly larger). If you have good skill with a drill, you can skip this step.
5) A drill press is ideal for this step. Use a 3/8" Forstner bit, with the center point riding in the pilot hole (or, if you skipped step 3, riding in the mark left by the punch). Slowly lower the drill until the outside rim of the Forstner bit starts scoring the finish. Again, the bit must be factory sharp, or better! Do not use much pressure. At this point you are only lightly scraping finish away, but some wood will have to come out too, due to the curved top. Pause as necessary to prevent the finish and wood from overheating. Continue this until you have scored a complete circle in the finish.
6) Continue the hole through the wood. You can move a bit faster now, but you want to slow down near the end of the hole, basically going back to the pressure you used when you were scoring the finish. Finish out the hole at this pressure. Slowing down like this, in conjunction with the masking tape you applied earlier, helps to minimize grain blowout in the control cavity.
7) Remove the masking tape and neatly clean up the edges of all the freshly drilled areas with 400 sandpaper.

If you must use a hand drill for steps 5 and 6, make sure you are good at using one, and make sure you clamp your guitar down to your work bench first.

If you suck at doing any of this sort of work, and don't know how to finely control a Forstner bit, just use a reamer. But the above method is the ideal way to go IME.
 
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Re: Guitar Techs...how would you do this

I can't imagine using a Forster bit into an existing hole; the leading point would have nothing to guide the rest of the bit in?

I'd personally do that with a very fine chainsaw sharpening file, finishing with the file covered in 400 grit wet or dry. About the safest way to avoid chipping, IMHO. And yes, it will take longer than a drill, but not longer than a 'drill + finish repair' would. :)


Larry
 
Re: Guitar Techs...how would you do this

I used a hand drill on my epi to get it to accept American spec pots. I would just go carefully and do small incriminates.

I personally would try another method if the guitar had a super nice finish or top, but it worked and was easy to do :)
 
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Step drills work like a charm.

Run it in reverse to cut through the paint layer, then set it forward and drill.

Do this for each step.
 
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I can't imagine using a Forster bit into an existing hole; the leading point would have nothing to guide the rest of the bit in?

Forstner bits are pretty good for drilling where there is already a hole; they are self centering to a degree. Like I said above, if the bit is actually sharp, and the user actually has good skill, it's pretty much the ideal tool for this job. They are excellent for lightly scoring a finish before boring a hole through wood.

That said, I mainly suggested one because I am not sure the existing hole is in the right spot for a pot. To me, it looks like the hole would have to be relocated with a center point outside the current hole. If, however, the photo is deceptive (the angle combined with the carved top make it hard to tell), and the hole is in the right spot, then it's an extremely easy matter – no special bits required. Just slowly step up to 3/8" using a series of razor sharp wood bits.

It's really an easy job. There is no need to sweat over it. Any of a number of methods will work, and unless you're clumsy with tools, it's perfectly safe.
 
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first of all, and for the love of good, measure the hole, measure the center of the hole, and see if the distance from the inner cavity wall is enough for a the pot to fit in, and use a a fine round wood rasp, work slowly and patiently.
 
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As far as size goes, just drill a piece of scrap first and test the pot on the scrap for fit. If youre unsure of fit
 
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tapered-end 3/8 bit set in reverse to gently wear away the finish around the hole, then extra force to punch through. Should keep the inside of the cavity from chipping as well.
 
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Not a tech but I play one on TV so I would likely use the reamer as well but try and sand and open it up lightly and slowly first. You want minimal grab on the finish.

Is the switch in the proper place for the pot? It looks like it isn't but that could just be the pic.
 
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Its the pic...its very close to the same as my trad..

Not to mention, les pauls look a bit off if you really pay attention

link ..
 
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I've done this many times...on guitars...and here's what works for me:

-Use a good quality countersink bit in your cordless drill to widen the edges of the hole to slightly more than 3/8" (for cts pots).

- Finish drilling the hole with a standard 3/8" drill bit.

So far, my experience has been that the countersink cuts the finish in a way that prevents it from chipping. If you countersink the hole just larger than the final diameter, then you won't be catching the edge of the finish with the drill bit.

Using sharp bits is a given.
 
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Alternatively, plug the hole with a dowel and go at it with the forstner bit.
 
Re: Guitar Techs...how would you do this

Alternatively, plug the hole with a dowel and go at it with the forstner bit.

i keep on hearing forstner bit for this job.. I personally think that bit is to aggressive..I guess it might it would be ok since the size would be small..i would feel better if i had a drill press w/that bit though.. only had experience using the 3/4" forstner that I use to recess the pots inside the cavity

i prefer using a bit or bits to get me close and a reamer to finish up.. IMO There are several ways that someone could approach this job depending on the tools available and experience
 
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I picked up a wood reamer. I will sand and mask as needed.

New backplate, rings, truss rod cover, and top hats arrived last night.

50s wiring kit got ordered today..

I *might* do a faber ABR conversion to it. Undecided for now.

Should have it done over the turkey day weekend.
 
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