guitar with the most pickup combos
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Re: guitar with the most pickup combos
Make sound clips of all twenty two of your switchable permutations. It would be informative to heard how usable each of them is.
Make sound clips of all twenty two of your switchable permutations. It would be informative to heard how usable each of them is.
Rex_Rocker
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Re: guitar with the most pickup combos
Fender Esquire. J/K.
Fender Esquire. J/K.
beaubrummels
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http://www.seymourduncan.com/tonefi...roject-phase-2an-insanely-versatile-les-paul/
http://www.seymourduncan.com/tonefi...roject-phase-2an-insanely-versatile-les-paul/
beaubrummels
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I think you need to read the article, and the comments at the bottom.
I think you need to read the article, and the comments at the bottom.
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Re: guitar with the most pickup combos
It's actually 72 only counting the pickup permutations and 216 counting the pickups and the germanium overdrive/input cap switching.
It's actually 72 only counting the pickup permutations and 216 counting the pickups and the germanium overdrive/input cap switching.
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BriGuy1968
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guitar with the most pickup combos
1985 Westone Spectrum LX (aka: "The Phoenix")
* Push/Pulls for a all three pots
The 3-way toggle next to the Bridge-side pot is for a varitone (.005uF, .022uF & .047uF caps)... something I wouldn't bother doing again!
I figure with the ability to use any combination of from 1 to 3 pickups (each with the ability to run as series, split or parallel) gives me 63 combos. If you couple that with the ability to reverse phase on the bridge pickup it adds another 45, giving me 108 possible combinations.
As a side note, if I was doing this again I would not bother splitting a stacked HB again. The difference between series and split is negligible and parallel is just too quiet. I'd either do without some combos or use a regular single-coil-sized humbucker (probably a Little '59 or a Hot Rails) in the center instead of the stacked HB. However, I like what the Hot Stack gives me, so I'd probably just do without the extra combos. Been thinking about replacing that 3-way mini with a 2-way and using it as a phase reverse for the center pup which would allow me to have the out-of-phase option in any combination instead of just the ones that use the bridge pup.
Anyway, there's my real-world anything axe! [emoji2] Is that enough combos for ya?
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1985 Westone Spectrum LX (aka: "The Phoenix")
- SH-4 JB Bridge
- STK-S2 Hot Stack for Strat Center
- SH-2 Jazz Neck
* Push/Pulls for a all three pots
- Bridge = Bridge Tone (pull for Bridge Phase Reverse)
- Center = Neck Tone (pull for Center On)
- Neck = Master Volume (pull for Bridge/Neck Cut)
The 3-way toggle next to the Bridge-side pot is for a varitone (.005uF, .022uF & .047uF caps)... something I wouldn't bother doing again!
I figure with the ability to use any combination of from 1 to 3 pickups (each with the ability to run as series, split or parallel) gives me 63 combos. If you couple that with the ability to reverse phase on the bridge pickup it adds another 45, giving me 108 possible combinations.
As a side note, if I was doing this again I would not bother splitting a stacked HB again. The difference between series and split is negligible and parallel is just too quiet. I'd either do without some combos or use a regular single-coil-sized humbucker (probably a Little '59 or a Hot Rails) in the center instead of the stacked HB. However, I like what the Hot Stack gives me, so I'd probably just do without the extra combos. Been thinking about replacing that 3-way mini with a 2-way and using it as a phase reverse for the center pup which would allow me to have the out-of-phase option in any combination instead of just the ones that use the bridge pup.
Anyway, there's my real-world anything axe! [emoji2] Is that enough combos for ya?
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Re: guitar with the most pickup combos
I have Les Paul with 3 Lace Sensor Dually's, each coil is different color. Each on a triple shot. 4 push-pull pots. Lets ignore the middle for now.
Normal 3-way switch does b/b&n/n. Two of the p-p's reverses the phase of neck pick and puts them in series when the 3-way is in the middle position. Sort of "normal" Jimmy Page wiring stuff.
Now the remaining two push-pulls work together. The third push-pull selects just the middle pickup and the fourth adds (to the middle pickup) what ever is selected with the 3-way switch.
I did this a couple years back and can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure I counted 260+ Non-redundant pickup coil combos. Each of the pickups had its own volume and a master tone pot, btw.
Now the obvious question is how different do they sound. Well many of them sound very close to each other. There are maybe 20-30 different sounds the rest just sound the same as one of these.
You could still add phase reverse switches to each 6 coils which would get the count close if not over what the Gamechanger has.
I have Les Paul with 3 Lace Sensor Dually's, each coil is different color. Each on a triple shot. 4 push-pull pots. Lets ignore the middle for now.
Normal 3-way switch does b/b&n/n. Two of the p-p's reverses the phase of neck pick and puts them in series when the 3-way is in the middle position. Sort of "normal" Jimmy Page wiring stuff.
Now the remaining two push-pulls work together. The third push-pull selects just the middle pickup and the fourth adds (to the middle pickup) what ever is selected with the 3-way switch.
I did this a couple years back and can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure I counted 260+ Non-redundant pickup coil combos. Each of the pickups had its own volume and a master tone pot, btw.
Now the obvious question is how different do they sound. Well many of them sound very close to each other. There are maybe 20-30 different sounds the rest just sound the same as one of these.
You could still add phase reverse switches to each 6 coils which would get the count close if not over what the Gamechanger has.
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Funkfingers
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Re: guitar with the most pickup combos
Interesting idea but some of the guitar tones are not convincing enough. I liked the bass guitar version better.
For me, the key moment in the demonstration videos was when the presenter says, "First, I need to find a guitar tone that I like."
Interesting idea but some of the guitar tones are not convincing enough. I liked the bass guitar version better.
For me, the key moment in the demonstration videos was when the presenter says, "First, I need to find a guitar tone that I like."
Edgecrusher
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Re: guitar with the most pickup combos
How many of those actually sound different and more importantly how many are actually useful and the difference can be heard in a band setting?
How many of those actually sound different and more importantly how many are actually useful and the difference can be heard in a band setting?
VinceT
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My Les Paul gives me 64 - http://vincet.net/2013/11/15/guitar-stuff-deep-surgery-on-my-les-paul/
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My Les Paul gives me 64 - http://vincet.net/2013/11/15/guitar-stuff-deep-surgery-on-my-les-paul/
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blueman335
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+1. Even with the 21 sound Jimmy Page system, I bet most guys don't use more than 5 on a regular basis, some guys not even that. There quickly comes a point where additional PU combinations are very similar and therefore useless. Onstage you can't be constantly fiddling with all the switches and knobs, and if you do, you're not focused where you should be: on your playing.
+1. Even with the 21 sound Jimmy Page system, I bet most guys don't use more than 5 on a regular basis, some guys not even that. There quickly comes a point where additional PU combinations are very similar and therefore useless. Onstage you can't be constantly fiddling with all the switches and knobs, and if you do, you're not focused where you should be: on your playing.
BriGuy1968
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Re: guitar with the most pickup combos
+2. While I think it's cool to have as many combos as I have on "the Phoenix," I find that I use very few comparatively. If I was doing it again I wouldn't split the center at all and I'd just have the neck & bridge HBs have the ability to go parallel (not split). The other sounds are either useless or too similar to the ones I'd keep.
I gotta admit though, It was a lot of fun to design and put together! I'm still glad I did it if for no other reason than to find out for myself and to learn along the way.
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+2. While I think it's cool to have as many combos as I have on "the Phoenix," I find that I use very few comparatively. If I was doing it again I wouldn't split the center at all and I'd just have the neck & bridge HBs have the ability to go parallel (not split). The other sounds are either useless or too similar to the ones I'd keep.
I gotta admit though, It was a lot of fun to design and put together! I'm still glad I did it if for no other reason than to find out for myself and to learn along the way.
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