Guitars with different specs

[Willy25]

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Just because something is recommended for a certain style, doesn't mean that it's necessary for a certain style. I playing in a bunch of different bands in high school, from alt rock, to shred, to metal core, to indie (always rhythm guitar) and I had/ have a Hamer Echotone (335 style) that I swapped out some pickups with and it sounded fantastic for the way I liked to play. Nowadays I'm getting into superstrats (particularly extended range) and I'm digging those. If you like Gibsons then you like Gibsons. Plenty of metal guys used them. Matt Heafy from Trivium even has two signatures with Epiphone and if you've ever heard Shogun, you know that Trivium can do some pretty rifftastic stuff (I own one of the seven strings and I like it a lot). If you find that you still want two full octaves on the fretboard, Epi does make a couple. The Les Paul Prophecy series both have 24 frets (I believe ebony board, but could be wrong) and come with a choice of EMG's and Gibson USA pups. The Epi Iommi SG has 24 frets as well, Iommi's signature Gibson pups, an ebony board and a strap button that isn't ********ly placed on the guitar. Sell off your Ibby's and you could probably get one of those three easily.

I still cant decide if ill sell the ibanez guitars, and get guitars with thicker necks , thicker body and tune o matic bridges. I know thats what my hands want. but if i do get to sell them and adjust to guitars with same specs ,ill probably feel bad when somebody hands me an ibanez or an esp and notice my tecnique sucks lol

 

[AlexR]

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There is always a neck type or guitar type you seem to get on better with.

But one of the identifying features of great players is their ability to play many different type/brand/shaped instruments. Its simply continual use of different ergonomics that makes your playing not dependent on such specific criteria

 

[2ndhandband]

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I still cant decide if ill sell the ibanez guitars, and get guitars with thicker necks , thicker body and tune o matic bridges. I know thats what my hands want. but if i do get to sell them and adjust to guitars with same specs ,ill probably feel bad when somebody hands me an ibanez or an esp and notice my tecnique sucks lol

Well... you kinda need something with a Floyd. Tools for the job man... I don't even like full size humbuckers and I keep a few RGs around for when they're needed. Unless you're an original artist who gets to stay within your own stylistic boundaries all the time, you need to be able to cover the bases. I can make an Ibanez sound like a Les Paul; when a producer asks for a "Les Paul" tone I just bring one of my RGs and it's fine. What I can't do is take a Les Paul and play dive-bomb licks.

Wood has a huge impact on tone.

If it's a difference I can EQ out it's a difference that doesn't matter. Gimme an SG, an RG, and a humbucker Strat with the same pickups, let me run them into my rig, and I dare you to distinguish between them in a blind test. The SG is the only one you MIGHT be able to recognize, and that'll have more to do with scale length than wood. I stand by my statement: the guitar part of your tone is 85% electronics, 10% the hardware it's attached to, and MAYBE 5% wood.

 

[2ndhandband]

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There is always a neck type or guitar type you seem to get on better with.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. I have three homebuild frankenstrats with Warmoth necks, and when i go to choose a neck for a new build I go to Warmoth's screaming deals section and get literally whichever strat neck pencils out as the overall best deal. One has their standard C, one is a Wolfgang, and the other is a fatter version of the standard C. Know what? I don't have a preference. They're all fine. That may be because I have very large hands, or maybe because I don't think a day has gone by since I was 17 in which I have not spent at least an hour or two playing guitar.

 

[AlexR]

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^ You've already confirmed my point with your reply

And as to your other post, if your rig is high gain (as in not on the border of clean/dirty) I don't doubt it. There are plenty of people whose rigs even make pickup choice redundant let alone wood. This is no argument.

But there are plenty about where it isn't the case.
And simply saying 1 eq effect can be changed using another eq effect is not any sort of argument about the existence of the first eq effect.

 

[2ndhandband]

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^ You've already confirmed my point with your reply

And as to your other post, if your rig is high gain (as in not on the border of clean/dirty) I don't doubt it. There are plenty of people whose rigs even make pickup choice redundant let alone wood. This is no argument.

But there are plenty about where it isn't the case.
And simply saying 1 eq effect can be changed using another eq effect is not any sort of argument about the existence of the first eq effect.

Clean, dirty, or in between. You choose. The differences will be so small I can compensate for them easily. Once again I bring my RGs EVERY TIME a humbucker sound is called for. I have never... not once,., been asked to bring something else. Pickups make the biggest difference. You can take one of those horrid sounding American Standard Strats with the swimming pool route and stick a set of custom '62s in it and in a blind test you won't be able to distinguish it from a Fender Custom Shop '62 reissue. Those things sound like **** not because of the construction but because of the pickups.

 

[daenius]

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I own all kinds of different guitars, Strats, Les Pauls, Shredsticks, you name it.

No problems switching whatsoever. For me, each different guitar with its unique specs inspires me to play slightly differently. I shred a lot on my Ibanez JEM, I play clean tone indie and RHCP stuff on my Strat, and I can't stop playing GNR on my Les Paul.

Play more and you'll be surprised at just how quickly your body adjusts to different guitars. I brought my JEM to jam with a friend of mine who ONLY plays Yngwie style Strats for MANY years. When I let him play the JEM he was like OMG this neck is so flat so thin so wide and not scalloped no way I can play this thing. 5 Minutes later he's playing everything just fine and sounding great, after we jammed he went online to search for JEMs to buy because he ended up loving it <_<

 

[AlexR]

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Clean, dirty, or in between. You choose. The differences will be so small I can compensate for them easily. Once again I bring my RGs EVERY TIME a humbucker sound is called for. I have never... not once,., been asked to bring something else. Pickups make the biggest difference. You can take one of those horrid sounding American Standard Strats with the swimming pool route and stick a set of custom '62s in it and in a blind test you won't be able to distinguish it from a Fender Custom Shop '62 reissue. Those things sound like **** not because of the construction but because of the pickups.

There are plenty of times where I have seen test like this done - and there are differences between them. Could you pick the guitar.....maybe, maybe not - There is not a 'spec' for determining a tone of a CS vs an AM Std.
Can you pick a difference in tone. Certainly in some cases I have. As I said, there is no 'spec' to wood. And there are times when the difference will be striking and others when it will be negligible.
I have seen plenty of times where you can take a guitar and no matter what you do there is NO accounting for the chassis........depending on what you want to hear of course.
I don't doubt that the things you want to hear can be quite easily accounted for with the tweaks you do. But not all of us hear the same way, nor with the same degree of emphasis.

Others aren't so easily satisfied. The very fact you find the vintage tones not to your liking means you would not appreciate the things I find important. Thats ok, I certainly have no issue acknowledging other people's tonal likes are different to my own.

 

[2ndhandband]

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There are plenty of times where I have seen test like this done - and there are differences between them. Could you pick the guitar.....maybe, maybe not. Can you pick a difference in tone. Certainly.

I have seen plenty of times where you can take a guitar and no matter what you do there is NO accounting for the chassis........depending on what you want to hear of course.
I don't doubt that the things you want to hear can be quite easily accounted for with the tweaks you do.

Others aren't so easily satisfied. The very fact you find the vintage tones not to your liking means you would not appreciate the things I find important. Thats ok, I certainly have no issue acknowledging other people's tonal likes are different to my own.

Where are you getting the idea I don't like vintage tones? I mostly use Strats with vintage wound pickups and a Firebird with Antiquity IIs. I use the absolute minimum gain I can get away with for whatever task is at hand.

 

[AlexR]

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Maybe I misread.......

But on this topic, can you understand that people have different experiences to you, and that they are just as valid. Can you understand that your experience is only 1 person's, and respect others' for what they find.

 

[2ndhandband]

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Maybe I misread.......

But on this topic, can you understand that people have different experiences to you, and that they are just as valid. Can you understand that your experience is only 1 person's, and respect others' for what they find.

Y'know, I'm not saying the differences are zero... I'm just saying that compared to the differences between pickups they are very small. If the sound is a little thinned out by a nonresonant chunk of body wood or whatever I can completely compensate for that. It just isn't gonna be that big, and will probably be unnoticable through a loud PA. OTOH you can take those horrible pickups in an American Standard Strat and they'll sound harsh, thin and bitey next to a set of Custom '62s no matter how much I tweak.

 

[AlexR]

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We agree that they are smaller, but I have (and others have too) guitars that cannot simply be eq'd to make them the same.

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

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Hello guys, how do you guys do it? How can you play different guitars that have different profile necks , scale length radius etc..?

Do guys know what is the main reason? The radius, the shorter scale, the tune o matic bridge? The medium jumbo frets? I just notice i like more wood on the neck than the paper slim neck on the two ibanez i have. What about pros can they play multiple guitars or they will have a challenge? I see they have multiple guitars but with the same specs. If this is true, that means we can not all play other guitars and just stick to our preference. Kind of funny no?

I would say the main reason is your mentality. FYI I have 4 Ibanez RGs, 2 Mexican Strats, 2 LPs, 1 semi hollow (boxy body no curvature, think of vintage Tele), 2 Charvels, and 1 FGN, all these with contradicting specs and I have no problem switching between any of them.

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

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The reason I mentioned stuff on Ibanez, they have some interesting things, but I doubt their going to continue innovation, they may still be around for a while, but need to try to get new artist. And more options. I'm not familiar with alsotheir products, but their neck-thrus seem to be way to similar, like one model with several variations. They're a working man's guitar and I that's why their still around in my opinion, they work and get the job done.

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One minute you say you are not familiar with Ibanez, the next second you come up with doomsday prediction. You are a funny guy.

Well I guess Steve Vai and Joe Satriani would soon be hot commodities up for grabs...lol.

 

[2ndhandband]

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We agree that they are smaller, but I have (and others have too) guitars that cannot simply be eq'd to make them the same.

I get that you probably don't agree with this, but for a difference that large I'd be more inclined to pin that on inconsistency in pickup manufacturing than body wood differences. Or possibly one guitar is hardtail and another Floyd; it's my very strong opinion that hardware makes a much bigger difference than wood. I think every Firebird needs a vibrola even if you're not going to use it, just because of the effect it has on the sound.

 

[ehdwuld]

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Keep one
My Ibanez wizard II necks are slightly thinner than my Epiphone slim c
The differences are the jumbo frets. And the scale length
I just had the Ibanez set up by the guy who set up the LP
And it is super low and incredible to play
The scale length is only about an eighth of an inch or less on the frets
It throws my buddy off when he plays it

 

[2ndhandband]

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Keep one
My Ibanez wizard II necks are slightly thinner than my Epiphone slim c
The differences are the jumbo frets. And the scale length
I just had the Ibanez set up by the guy who set up the LP
And it is super low and incredible to play
The scale length is only about an eighth of an inch or less on the frets
It throws my buddy off when he plays it

I just loaned my brother one of my RGs just a couple days ago. He's strictly an amateur; been playing only a few years and he's just a couple younger than I am. He's got a thing for guitars with fat necks, but he recently injured his left wrist and noticed he was able to play longer without pain on his thinner-necked axes. So I sent my 91 RG570 home with him since that's about the thinnest neck you're gonna get on a functional guitar and a few hours later (he lives a fair distance away) I get an IM that this ****ing guitar is really weird and he is NEVER going to be able to come to grips with it. Then the next day he messages me again saying he was able to play for almost three hours the previous evening without pain on the RG, whereas the best he can manage on any of his own guitars is less than an hour. And now he's talking about getting one. Even an amateur can get used to something completely different with a little time investment.

 

[RandomToneGuy]

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One minute you say you are not familiar with Ibanez, the next second you come up with doomsday prediction. You are a funny guy.

Well I guess Steve Vai and Joe Satriani would soon be hot commodities up for grabs...lol.

I've looked into them never played one or tried one.a few people I used to know played them, but I've seen a decline in my perspective, which Is why I just decided not to try them. I was considering a few 6 string neck-thrus for a while, but if they end up going away then no, on the other hand I own a B.C. Which is a bra D that almost disappeared twice. It's just because they were able to ride g it back ounce and my classmate played one, and I liked it's more than my friends Ibanez.

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[DrNewcenstein]

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I had a horrible personal experience with Ibanez' customer service some years ago, so I will always recommend selling an Ibanez to buy something else, just to see one more person not waving their logo around.

As for differences, the only design element I've found that I can't abide are low frets like the "fretless wonder" Gibsons. They do not suit my playing style in any way, and I've had a few. I prefer medium jumbo at the very least. Other than that, scale, number of frets, radius, bridge, pickups, and body shape are of no consequence. I will at least attempt to play anything on anything - C&W on a Jackson Warrior or Megadeth on a Tele.

 

[ehdwuld]

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I on the other hand loved Jerry's ghost fret Les Paul Signature when I was out that way last.
That one interaction led to my two most recent guitar purchases

That guitar is simply a delight to play
With remarkable tone