H/S/H: Middle RWRP?

[Shy_Boy]

Hi All,

I’m putting together a strat with a H-S-H setup. I’m putting a JB in the bridge, a Jazz in the neck and an SSL-1 (RWRP or normal) in the middle.

The question I have is about the middle pickup. If I hold the middle pickup (RWRP) to the humbuckers, the magnets will attract to the adjustable poles, and repel from the fixed poles. A standard wind SSL-1 will do the opposite and will be attracted to the fixed poles.

This tells me that with the proper wiring, the regular SSL-1 will be humbucking if wired with the fixed pole of the Jazz or JB humbuckers and that the RWRP SSL-1 will be humbucking if wired with the adjustable pole of the Jazz or JB humbuckers.

I have both a normal and a RWRP SSL-1 that I could install. I know I could just install them both and compare, but that would be a lot of installation and soldering since I would probably need to switch them 5 times to convince myself which one sounds better.

The question I have is: Is there a better, customary or conventional pickup to put in the middle? (RWRP or normal)

Sorry for the long post, and thanks for any input.

Regards,
George

 

[jmh151]

Re: H/S/H: Middle RWRP?

I have the Jazz/SSL-1 RW/JB combo in my Ibanez RG570. I'm not happy with the SSL-1. It sounds great on its own, and would sound better in a three single coil strat, but it does not have enough power to balance with the JB and Jazz, even when split in the 2 and 4 positions. I hear a cool rails is a better choce.

You have to use a megaswitch, or 4 pole 5 way switch to get the split humbucking effect in the 2 and 4 positions. You can go to guitarelectronics.com to get the parts and any diagrams you need.

 

[itbepopples]

Re: H/S/H: Middle RWRP?

Ask artie hes a wiring genius. I also don't think guitarelectronics has any super switches left in stock but i could be wrong.

 

[TheArchitect]

Re: H/S/H: Middle RWRP?

I have the Jazz/SSL-1 RW/JB combo in my Ibanez RG570. I'm not happy with the SSL-1. It sounds great on its own, and would sound better in a three single coil strat, but it does not have enough power to balance with the JB and Jazz, even when split in the 2 and 4 positions. I hear a cool rails is a better choce.

You have to use a megaswitch, or 4 pole 5 way switch to get the split humbucking effect in the 2 and 4 positions. You can go to guitarelectronics.com to get the parts and any diagrams you need.

If you are splitting the buckers that pup should be a lot louder the a split jazz and certainly hold its own against a split JB. If it doesn't there is something wrong. You don't need a megaswitch to get hum cancelling in 2 and 4 positions. It is easily done with a standard 5 way switch. In fact the schematic is probably on Duncans site.

 

[Artie]

Re: H/S/H: Middle RWRP?

Sorry for the long post, and thanks for any input.

Hey George; you never need to apologize for going to the trouble to give the forum the info it needs to answer your question properly.

Ask artie hes a wiring genius.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but actually, this is one of those areas where I'm not the best man for the job. Kent, or Robert, or Jeremy, etc., would be better at this type of question. I still get crossed up over mixing hums and singles.

Once someone else tells you what to wire up, I can tell you how. (Although, it sounds like George can probably handle that one.)

Artie

 

[octavedoctor]

Re: H/S/H: Middle RWRP?

Hi All,

I’m putting together a strat with a H-S-H setup. I’m putting a JB in the bridge, a Jazz in the neck and an SSL-1 (RWRP or normal) in the middle.

The question I have is about the middle pickup. If I hold the middle pickup (RWRP) to the humbuckers, the magnets will attract to the adjustable poles, and repel from the fixed poles. A standard wind SSL-1 will do the opposite and will be attracted to the fixed poles.

This tells me that with the proper wiring, the regular SSL-1 will be humbucking if wired with the fixed pole of the Jazz or JB humbuckers and that the RWRP SSL-1 will be humbucking if wired with the adjustable pole of the Jazz or JB humbuckers.

I have both a normal and a RWRP SSL-1 that I could install. I know I could just install them both and compare, but that would be a lot of installation and soldering since I would probably need to switch them 5 times to convince myself which one sounds better.

The question I have is: Is there a better, customary or conventional pickup to put in the middle? (RWRP or normal)

Sorry for the long post, and thanks for any input.

Regards,
George

You can split the humbuckers to give noise cancellation in positions 2 & 4 regardless of whether the middle single coil is rw/rp since this is a relative concept. Regardless of the electrical and magnetic polarity of the single coil, it's always going to be rw/rp relative to one coil in each humbucker.

You will get slightly different responses from each coil because of the different harmonic cancellation effects.

There is only one correct way to split the buckers to give n/c however; with the rw/rp s/c you need to select the coils with screws rather than slugs as they are obviously opposed magnetically, however you will need to adjust the coil selection so that the selected coil is "in phase" (i.e. same electrical polarity) as the single coil.

 

[Shy_Boy]

Re: H/S/H: Middle RWRP?

with the rw/rp s/c you need to select the coils with screws rather than slugs as they are obviously opposed magnetically

This is how I thought they needed to be split based on what I have read. Would there be any technical benefit to using the RWRP s/c with screw side of the HB as opposed to the normal s/c with the fixed side of the HB?

You will get slightly different responses from each coil because of the different harmonic cancellation effects.

It sounds like I have to assume that this comes down to a simple opinion as to what sounds better and it doesn't really matter what wind I use for the the center coil.

Thanks again for all the help!

Cheers,
George